Viva Le France!

[bugchaser]

350, first off, let me apologize for venting on you like I did. Nothing personal, just frustration. However, your comment about the danger of the ag chemicals once again shows your ignorance. There you go again making an observation about something that you have no experience with. The ag industry is highly regulated and operators are well trained and work very hard to minimize risks. Please limit your comments to things that you have knowledge of.

 

[350DRIVER]

posted by Tim

Additionally, you have spent several months or more in Iraq, correct??

I have never been nor do I have any desire, want, or ambition to visit that country. UN inspectors have however spent quite some time over there recently and they have failed to prove without a reasonable doubt that anything along the lines of weapons of mass destruction exist present day, that is what my information was based on. Seems like a pretty reliable source in my opinion. I am 100% confident that "IF" they ( UN inspectors) could have found anything along these lines then ALL allies, countries, etc, and ME would have never ever questioned this "war" at all. I just see a lack of evidence, maybee it is ignorance on my part (I hope that is the case) but I just could not imagine "W" or ANYONE pro-war would hold anything back, doing so is NOT "winning" anymore support world wide as "W" wanted from the get go. This is the main reason why I find it extremely hard to believe or imagine that "top officials" know much much more than has been made public... Seems to me that logical reasoning would illustrate to make ALL facts and evidence KNOWN so we could have gotten the UN backing and that magic vote.. Why would they not make facts and evidence known.?? It sure seems like they attempted to make a case for this..

Of course you have or you wouldnt have all of that vast knowledge.

I know nothing more than you or the next poster. I have looked inside and out to "attempt" to locate the facts and evidence that you claim exist. I have failed in this attempt however. Like I said I sure hope I am wrong and from the tone of your posts it sure sounds like I am way off in right field which I hope is the case..

Try to look at the big picture and not just your little world. There is plenty of evidence!

Like I have said many times, I hope I am wrong..... Time shall tell..

I think we should agree to disagree and keep our thoughts and prayers with the US service men and women who are putting their lives on the line now... I can only pray that they come back alive and I thank every one of them for the freedom that I have been fortunate enough to enjoy...

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[414Flyer]

UN inspectors have however spent quite some time over there recently and they have failed to prove without a reasonable doubt that anything along the lines of weapons of mass destruction exist present day, that is what my information was based on. Seems like a pretty reliable source in my opinion.

snip

I am 100% confident that "IF" they ( UN inspectors) could have
found anything along these lines then ALL allies, countries, etc, and ME would have never ever questioned this "war" at all. I

The inspectors were not there to prove Iraq did not have any. That was Iraqs job. It was already established that Iraq has had weapons, and it was the job of the Iraqis to prove that such weapons and systems did not exist anymore.

The Iraqis claimed the thousands of tons of Vx and Mustard gas were destroyed but they did not have any proof at all. It was just take them at their word they were destroyed. Yeah right.

Just like Iraq also overstated how many chemical munitions they had used in the Iran Iraq War too. Blix didnt even fall for that one.

The disarmament process is not rocket science, and countries have done it before with none of these games, charades, etc.

Did you see any of this going on for a dozen years and 17 resolutions when Kazackstan or South Africa decided to get rid of nukes?

 

[Cardinal]

What a complete "joke". After reading some of your replies Cardinal I had thought you could have done much better than that one.... Number, quantities, places, people, specs, and conversations?? W has been able to show the world absolutely no proof at all, hell he can't even get a UN support in his favor nor can he even get our allies on his side- Denial, brainwashed, propaganda I think sums it up.
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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,77695,00.html
There's most of it in Powells UN presentation. I presume you read the whole thing yourself in order to make such judgements? I don't know what it is that you people require. Videos of this presentation mailed to every US household? A tour of the CIA? A glass-floored, self-lighting parking lot labeled "Chicago"?

You've got it right, In denial, brainwashed, and listening to it's own propaganda, thats the UN alright. The French talking about diplomacy, well it worked with Hitler, didn't it? Mandella taking jabs at Bush, the best argument 'ole Nelson can come up with: "Iz it perhaps becauz de Secertary General iz a black man?" 20-odd years in prison and that is the best retort he can come up with? Much of the world community is a joke. It is this world community, these nations that really have it all figured out, Angola, Guinea, Sudan, and the like, that are to dictate policy to the United States?

To say they've waffled is an understatement. Much vigor an vim when they have pen to paper (November, 1441) but when it is time to cash the check they wrote, they seem to pale. By March they have made it full circle to the point of being proven useless. For what it's worth, this condition of the UN is only temporary. The Good Book fortells a rise in their power until they are the preeminent power on Earth, at which point they get their butts kicked by Him, but I'll bet you really ain't interested in that...

 

[350DRIVER]

There's most of it in Powells UN presentation.

RIGHT. !! That is why the security council and the ENTIRE world as well as our allies are backing this war(sure).... Cardinal, you could have done much better than that statement, atleast I was hoping you had a better way to counter the propaganda that you have bought into. I guess I was wrong though...

I don't know what it is that you people require.

Does "you people" also include France, Germany, Canada, many other countries, many members of congress, millions of other Americans as well.?? Cardinal, I must say that I am just a tad dissapointed in your attempt to counter the "propaganda" that you have bought into.. You have no come back at all with regards to facts and evidence, what other assumptions are you going to make now.?? ( I could only imagine)

You've got it right, In denial, brainwashed, and listening to it's own propaganda, thats the UN alright.

RIGHT again ( I hope that you sense the sarcasm). !! You remind me of a little kid who didn't get what he wanted at the toy store so he cried and cried and cried until mommy finally gave in, fortunately the UN will NOT do this since there is no justification for them to do this. I guess you will just have to continue to rant and make excuses for this action or should I say lack of action by the UN, France, Canada, and millions of others around the world.

Cardinal, why waste your time and mine? debating something that you have no proof of and every post you bring nothing to the table except out of whack opinions and assumptions that the majority of the people just don't buy... bottom line... Now go ahead and counter that point with the so-called polls who "target" a certain number of people.

The inspectors were not there to prove Iraq did not have any.

What were there for then, to celebrate with the Iraqi people?? I think not and they did all they could to find a smoking gun BUT why couldn't they.??? I just think it bothers you just as much as it bothers any others that you are NOT going to receive the support that you wish you could drum up... One can not make some believe in propaganda, it is just sometimes impossible.

Once again, we should be concerned with the troops and that is where ALL our thoughts and prayers should be right now especially so close to this confict... YOUR opinions are meaningless to me as well as my opinions are meaningless to you so who cares?? I know for a fact that I don't....

c h e e r s

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[metrodriver]

posted by 350 driver:
Well I hope you wonder alot since common sense is hard for many to grasp

that's true. That's why we have a government that tells people excactly what to do and it's also the reason there are so many lawsuits and warning labels on things.You want examples?
smoking is bad for your health-NO SH^T!
on a cup of coffee: CONTENTS HOT-yeah, I don't like cold coffee!
on a microwave:don't put live anymals in microwave.
Why do trains have to blow the horns when passing a gated crossing? Because some morons don't have the common sense to figure out that a train is coming when the gates are down!

 

[350DRIVER]

posted by Cardinal

I don't know what it is that you people require. Videos of this presentation mailed to every US household?

What exactly did Powell show during this presentation to prove that Iraq has all of these weapons.?? Apparently not only did I miss this (watched the presentation twice in fact) "overwhelming" evidence BUT I guess France, Canada, Germany, many other Americans had also missed these key points. I think NOT.

Common sense would illustrate without a single doubt in anyones mind that if in fact Powell DID do such a great job (as you tend to believe) and "proved" his case against Iraq then we would have UN backing, support from France, Germany, Canada, and many many others...... I think that would be very hard to dispute.

thoughts & prayers are with the troops as the deadline nears.


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[surplus1]

Where did this 85% of British people come from? An opinion poll no doubt that are more often than not, wrong.

Yes, I got it from a poll, taken by the BBC news service. Since those who support the war use polls taken in the US to "prove" that most Americans support it, I thought that a British pole, taken by the British press, about the British people, was fair game.

I guess you're in the 15% of Brits that do support it which of course makes the poll wrong. That was tough to figure out.

I too have seen the US flag burned, it was in the streets of Paris, it has happened on more than one occasion.

Could you please tell me when this happened and what was the occasion? I'd would like to know. Given the extent to which the French are disliked both in the US and the United Kingdom, if that happened and it wasn't shown on TV a thousand times, that would be a virtual miracle. I think if British and American TV had the opportunity they would hire and pay Frenchmen to burn American flags and British flags too. Think of the ratings!! Budwiser and Guinness would pay a fortune to put commercials on that program.

I was in london at that time and I don't recall "masses" of people in the streets burning flags.

I confess I was NOT in London at the time. I watched it transpire, on television, from my living room in Florida. British citizens, burning the American flag, my flag, it the streets of your Capitol city. At that time FOX News didn't exist, so it must have been real.

I have also seen the British flag burned and not mention a few Beatles albums too. Those that do these things do not represent the silent majority in any country.

Since I'm not British, as long as it is not in my country or done by Americans, I'm not too concernd about who burns the union jack or where they do it, . As for Beatles albums... who cares. I'm quite sure that flag burnings do not represent the silent majority. They represent the vocal majority or minority. Who they represent is irrelevant to me. I would not want to see even one American burning a British flag.

Sadam supports terror and finances it in several ways that are very well documented. It is time for him to go.

I agree that he is evil and I agree that he should go. I do NOT agree that the method used should be the unilateral invasion of Iraq by the United States in an undeclared war.

 

[414Flyer]

Sorry, but it is not UNILATERAL. UNILATERAL means ONE. We are not there alone. Doesnt matter if it was just one other country with us, it would still not be unilateral. Unilateral also does not mean without the UN.

I would take UK and AUS on my side anytime over France and Germany. And in addition to them, there is Poland, Czech Republic, and several other eastern European countries have either troops or support personell there.

Qatar is giving us a huge base with their blessing, Turkey is giving us overflight. And there are other countries doing what they can but doing it more under the table due to domestic concerns.

There is absolutely no way it is just us...

 

[ArcticFlier]

hell he can't even get a UN support in his favor nor can he even get our allies on his side- Denial, brainwashed, propaganda I think sums it up.


come on..

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No.............but he's got 45 other countries behind us. Has anyone noticed that many of the countries backing this action are former Soviet bloc countries? They know what a bad guy looks like better than most.

AF

 

[WMUSIGPI]

"I'd rather have the German army in front of me than the French army behind me"
General of the Army,
Douglas MacArthur

reported on the news today that France would support the US if Saddam used chemical or biological weapons in an attack against someone. See above quote as far as how much we need French help when it comes to war. At least they will have plenty of sand around to go burying their heads in if they do show up.

Guess Iran and the Kurds don't count as someone to France....

The best way to take care of the Middle East is develop an alternative to fossil fuels and tell them to keep their oil, take back our nukes from Isreal and tell all the countries there grow up and learn to live with each other or kill each other til there is noone left.

Either way who cares....But we gotta quit needing all their oil first.
Just too bad we didn't learn that back in the 70's or 90's.

"Those that do not learn from history are condemed to repeat it"
Former Prime Minister, Great Britan,
Winston Churchill

 

[Cardinal]

Does "you people" also include France, Germany, Canada, many other countries, many members of congress, millions of other Americans as well.?? Cardinal, I must say that I am just a tad dissapointed in your attempt to counter the "propaganda" that you have bought into.. You have no come back at all with regards to facts and evidence, what other assumptions are you going to make now.?? ( I could only imagine)

That is exactly who "you people" includes. The Administration basically said "Here's the deal, here's some details, we can't give you more than this and still protect our sources." Giving the French a warm-and-fuzzy is not worth the life of one US loyalist. So screw em. Believe me, I'm a conspiracy theorist if there ever was one, and believe in as limited a Government role as possible. But there comes a point where some ounce of trust has to placed in the authorities. At 300' HAT I trust that that US spec Localizer is accurate. I have many reasons that persuade me that the system is working, but I can never be ultimately sure. US intel says that Saddam hasn't disarmed, this fits with his modus operendi and historical behavior, and thus I'm inclined to believe it. I don't intend on traveling to Iraq to count warheads, so I will take the Government's word on this one. "You people" have been presented the same evidence and choose not to believe it. That is your right. But because you do not believe this evidence does not mean it doesn't exist. Because you choose not to see it as a justification for war, that does not invalidate it's existence. That is the logical fallacy which your side has adopted which pisses me off to no end. I don't care if you believe it or not, but admit that it exists!

If an individual wants to believe that 2+2=5, there is nothing I can do to change his mind. If he is not willing to listen to a logical explanation, if he sees the 4 blocks sitting in front of him and declares them to be 5, at that point it is indeed fruitless to argue. Lemme quote some Ayn Rand, italics mine:

"Thinking is man's only basic virtue, from which all the others proceed. And his basic vice, the source of all his evils, is that nameless act which all of you practice, but struggle never to admit: the act of blanking out, the willful suspension of one's consciousness, the refusal to think - not blindness, but the refusal to see; not ignorance, but the refusal to know. It is the act of unfocusing your mind and inducing an inner fog to escape the responsibility of judgment - on the unstated premise that a thing will not exist if only you refuse to identify it, that A will not be A so long as you do not pronounce the verdict 'it is.' Non-thinking is an act of annihilation, a wish to negate existence, an attempt to wipe out reality. But existence exists; reality is not to be wiped out, it will merely wipe out the wiper. By refusing to say 'It is' you are refusing to say 'I am.' By suspending your judgment, you are negating your person. When a man declares: 'Who am I to know?' - he is declaring: 'Who am I to live'"
(Atlas 931)

http://komo1000news.com/audio/kvi_aircheck_031003.mp3 Give a listen to this brief discussion between an Iraqi expat (yes, he certainly has a horse in this race, but I think we can pay him heed) and Andrea Buffa, a spokesperson for United For Peace and Justice. 2.5 Mb. It's exactly what I'm talking about.

 

[sidesaddle]

It is interesting that some people in this country blast our President and in effect, apologize for Saddam (by just wanting to sweep the whole thing under the rug in the so called name of "peace". This excerpt of an article in a British paper was enlightening:

"The USA gives their own people freedom, the Government listens to the people. We don't know if the Americans really care about us, but we hope they bring us freedom," said Ahmed, 23, a student from Baghdad.

The sheer lack of freedom in Iraq and brutal nature of the regime were the sources of hatred for Mr Saddam, the Iraqis said. Many told of family members killed or maimed, or of personal humiliations suffered at the hands of Mr Saddam's security forces.

Nadim, 29, a shoemaker from Baghdad, recounted a particularly ruthless event he saw on a Baghdad street last week. He watched Saddam's security agents cut the tongue out of a man rumoured to have spoken badly about the Government.

"They put pliers in his mouth to hold his tongue, then cut it off with scissors," he said of the officers who he believes will be the first targets of the Iraqi people if the US launches a strike.

"When war starts, the people will try to take revenge on Saddam's security agents. They will then try to flee the country," he said.

Nadim's story is not unusual. Allah, 25, from Baghdad, told of an female doctor who was jailed and poisoned after she spoke out against one of Mr Saddam's son's habit of raping young girls. "She went to jail and they gave her a shot (injection). After two months they let her go, but she wasn't normal any more. She's crazy now," he said.



God bless our troops and the Iraqi people who will soon be liberated.

 

[100LL... Again!]

When the dust settles on this one, all of you so-called 'peace' oriented creeps will be looking for a way to get on the bandwagon. Even France is waffling now. Too late for all of you. I'd love to see you exiled. 'Peace' for you = death for others.

You are selfish cowards. And you wouldn't know real peace if it bit you in the a##.

Give me liberty or give me death.

Your motto: "Please don't hurt me - I'll do anything."

I do feel sorry for you though, you have no morals and no confidence that this country is RIGHT.

 

[DC4boy]

I really feel sorry for 350. Quite naive. Stop leading with your emotions son, you will see the light.

Take a look guys, about three anti- war posters on a four page thread.


Make any sense????

Borders
Language
Culture

 

[350DRIVER]

I really feel sorry for 350. Quite naive. Stop leading with your emotions son, you will see the light.

Ignorance is bliss.

I just tend to look at the facts (nothing more and nothing less), unfortunately there are others like yourself who feel compelled to buy into propaganda and who tend to jump on moving band wagons.. I hope you enjoy the "ride". 2004 will be here soon enough.

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[ArcticFlier]

Ignorance is bliss.

I just tend to look at the facts (nothing more and nothing less), unfortunately there are others like yourself who feel compelled to buy into propaganda and who tend to jump on moving band wagons.. I hope you enjoy the "ride". 2004 will be here soon enough.

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Who's propaganda? CNN? NPR? NY Times? I'd say most on here are thinking individuals, not swayed by the media.

I try to avoid a moving anything. It's a good way to get run over.

Can't wait for 2004. Who's going to be the sacrificial lamb for the Dems?

AF

 

[350DRIVER]

Who's propaganda?

Nawww... ALL "factual" evidence has been presented, not a single doubt in anyones mind, that is WHY we have such an overwhelming and incredible support group from everyone in the international community and everyone is on our side. My bad..


-get real and wake up

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ps> the popular vote went to who last election (laughing rather hard)

 

[350DRIVER]

Who's going to be the sacrificial lamb for the Dems?

Democrat or Republican, I would hope the "next" winner can atleast-0 win the popular vote.

just a tad embarrasing eghh

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I don't think you need to worry about that one though. !! !!

 

[DC4boy]

350 co-pilot,

I think it stime you woke up!! Take a look at who is against us in your "international comunity". Germany, France, Canada, China etc. Socialism at it's best. Oh yeah, and Russia.
Ask one middle eastern arab country if they think what we're doing is right. Qatar, as radicaly Muslim as a country can get, is behind us.

Take your anti-American, conspiracy theroist, liberal propaganda elsewhere.

Civilized, Inteligent, level headed, human beings will prevail!!

Good Day, Dod Speed

 

[TXCAP4228]

I was really hoping to see more French bashing but I guess I'll live with where the thread has gone. Though, if anyone wants to engage in a real debate about the usefulness and legitimacy of the Republic of France, I am willing. I would take the negative side.


350, I would be interested in discussing your factual evidence. We know that Iraq has thousands of litres of toxins that they have not accounted for. We know from defected weapons scientists that Iraq has mobile weapons labs. We know that as recently as 1998 there were still unaccounted for chem and bio weapons delivery sources.

We know that as recently as Hans Blix's last presentation to the Security Council, there were spray equipped drone aircraft with ranges that exceeded UN guidelines making them illegal, notwithstanding the fact that they are already illegal due to being a WMD delivery platform.

Furthermore, 1441 shifted the burden of proof onto Iraq. Iraq continued to be less than forthcoming, even by Blix's very high (you may notice a small amount of sarcasm at this point) standards.

Now let's think for a minute. In spite of Iraq's continued obfuscation and resistance during the last round of inspections going through 1998 and our CERTAIN KNOWLEDGE that at that time he had weapons labs and unaccounted for chem and bio weapons agents and delivery mechanisms, are you REALLY telling me that you think Iraq does NOT continue to possess these illegal weapons of mass destruction? Are you asking me to believe that Iraq REALLY DID destroy the things that WE KNOW HE HAD?

Please don't tell me this is propaganda. All of the things I have said above are known.

So what was he doing for all that time after 1998? It defies comprehension to say that he destroyed these weapons of mass destructions. I don't believe he did.



Now let's go back to 1998 for a minute. At that time, the Clinton administration was saying somewhat openly that we would be within our rights to use military force. This is on record.

If it was true then, then it remains true today. In fact, I would argue that it is even more legitimate now since 1441:
1) found Iraq in Material Breach
2) Shifted the burden of proof onto Iraq, and
3) was agreed to unanimously.



This is boring. What I really want to bash the French. Would anyone like to defend them so I can debate it with you????

Any takers?????

 

[ArcticFlier]

Democrat or Republican, I would hope the "next" winner can atleast-0 win the popular vote.

just a tad embarrasing eghh

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I don't think you need to worry about that one though. !! !!

Learn how we elect our President......................it's called the Electoral College. The popular vote doesn't count one bit.

Embarrassing would be having Gore as our President

AF

 

[ArcticFlier]

..........that is WHY we have such an overwhelming and incredible support group from everyone in the international community and everyone is on our side. My bad..


-get real and wake up

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ps> the popular vote went to who last election (laughing rather hard)

Oh I guess having 40 plus countries on our side isn't enough for ya? And who's against us? How many? I can't HEAR YOU!!!!!

AF

 

[100LL... Again!]

350 Driver-

We have 45 countries on Bush's side. Including Arab several ones.

We have a bigger coalition than we did fir the first gulf war. The Canadian P.M. has been very busy getting the anti-US rhetoric toned down. You have already lost. 2004 belongs to the conservatives. It is extremely entertaining to watch you flail in impotent rage about the coming elections. Reminds me of the scene at the end of "The Bad News Bears".

"And another thing... Just wait till next year!"

WWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW

 

[wil]

Blow me ya cheese eating surrender monkeys!

 

[350DRIVER]

We have 45 countries on Bush's side. Including Arab several ones.

I don't recall that in any of my replies that I disputed "who" we had on our side... I think instead I mentioned that we did NOT have UN support, France, Germany, Canada, and others.... I can only hope that this is a quick war and very few Americans will be lost. My thoughts and prayers our with these troops and I will no longer post in any way, shape, or form "against" this war since lives are at stake and these troops need the support whether it be directly or indirectly. I have my "opinions" and you have your "opinions", I respect everyone that has posted in response to my replies BUT when lives are at stake I don't think we need to "argue" about something that we cannot control... I will continue to hope and pray that all goes as planned and we will be able to bring most troops back so they can be with their families.

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[Tim47SIP]

Predictable outcome!

350, Surplus, House (I think that's it?) your rhetoric is predictable. When you started your debates, I was intrigued. Then, when things got rough, you attacked Bush and stated he was the problem. Well, now we know the true story. You are just liberals stating a standard jargon that a cult would do when self douted. You are absolutely anti conservative and any thing that the current administration does will be wrong, period. 350, you state that "millions of Americans are against this war" may be correct, but you fail to state the hundred of millions that are for (70+% for).
You guys find every excuse to find the current administration at fault for everything that has gone (perceptibly) wrong. You fail to realize that individuals around you at almost 4-1 are against your agenda. You label us all as suffering from "ignorance is bliss". Can't imagine why the three of you are so informed and the rest of us are so stupid. I will humbley try to figure that one out.

Surplus, you are one of the most intelligent and articulate individuals I have ever seen on any message board. I was very much influinced by your debates concerning the RJDC and other topics. But your comments about GW and the staff (you have every right to do so), I feel, were uncalled for. You have stated the standard rhetoric that the liberals state regardles of what is right or wrong. That tells me you are definitely pure and simple, against conservatives and you have a personal agenda. Yes I know you state you are in the middle and are not against any political entity, but your statments are proof. I just want you to know that the way you can master a subject and manipulate it to your intent is admirable. But! this also tells me that you are a pro at "spin!" and I feel that I have been duped. Please understand that I could care less of your political affiliation (or you of mine), but it should NOT be incorporated into your debates. You Sir (I thought) were well above that! I know you won't give up your campaign (not talking of the RJDC), but please keep out the politics to substanciate your points.

P.S. No hard feelings against anyone! Great debate, and keep it up! Thanks, Tim. (yes, I am well aware of the fact that I can't spell!)

 

[av8instyle]

This is boring. What I really want to bash the French. Would anyone like to defend them so I can debate it with you????

I'd like to throw my $0.02 in.... F*CK THE FROGS!!!...IMHO.

 

[350DRIVER]

Tim,

I have only stated my "opinions" and those have come under heavy attack which I completely accept. I am not here to make friends, just to follow aviation debates and "attempt" to post when someone asks a question or asks for advice and I have something to offer, nothing more or nothing less. I "learn" more from this board than anything else, I have only been on this face of the earth for a little over 24 years so I do not in any way "try" to know more than anyone else. I "respect" everyone's opinions and I try to put things into perspective and every once in awhile I enjoy a good debate pertaining to aviation related material NOT politics. You are entitled to your opinions and feelings and I think I deserve that same right as well as House and Surplus whether you agree or disagree with what we have to say.. It is nothing more than"free speech".... Personal attacks are a cheap way of responding out of sheer frustration.

War is underway which I completely accept, I do not however have to "agree" with "how" it was started and under the circumstances surrounding the situation present day. Instead of continuing a pointless debate which is going no where why not attempt to "support" the troops that are currently risking their lives right now so we can enjoy the very freedom that we have day in and day out.??

I think it is safe to make one or two assumptions. 1) We all support our troops. 2) We all want them to return alive. 3) We are proud to be Americans. 4) We all are proud of what this nation stands for. I guess we agree on some things.


c h e e r s

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[Tim47SIP]

Agreed

I think it is safe to make one or two assumptions. 1) We all support our troops. 2) We all want them to return alive. 3) We are proud to be Americans. 4) We all are proud of what this nation stands for. I guess we agree on some things.

Thanks for the support!