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Have you seen their pathetic wages? I sure hope they can make money when they pay their pilots jack.
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Have you seen their pathetic wages? I sure hope they can make money when they pay their pilots jack.
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That would be a fact. You have a need to make this personal? Don't get all wound up....just stating what I read...
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Have you actually done the math? VA pay rates are overall within 10% of industry average for the A320. Yes they are low, and we all recognize that. But they are not 50% of the industry average as many like to say. Look it up yourself.
And name a start-up that pays industry leading wages. Southwest did not start out as an industry leader. JetBlue did not start out paying wages even close to what they are now. Even UPS used to pay so poorly that people used it as a stepping stone to go to places like Air Wisconsin. It takes time to bring pay up to where it needs to be.
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Not a rumor, Singapore is looking to sell their 49% share -
http://www.businessweek.com/news/20...r-new-ceo-may-shed-virgin-atlantic-stake.html
One rumor is Delta may buy the 49% stake and bring Virgin Atlantic into Sky Team.
Branson is on record as saying if Virgin Atlantic cannot join an alliance than it cannot survive. He is also on record as saying if he cannot control Virgin Atlantic, he will no longer be involved in it. If that is the case, it may cease to be named Virgin. If Singapore sells its stake in VA, then the restrictions on the Virgin name would also go away and airlines like V-Australia could be re-branded as Virgin, and potentially (as in it is theoretically possible, not necessarily planned or even talked about) Virgin America could begin trans-Pacific flying as well.
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That's what I've heard from several 'in the know' people over at Delta. From what I understand, Singapore is asking for a higher than market share based on some formula that Delta isn't interested in. So we'll see......
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Well give us another 6 mos and we will be putting the hurt on AA. Our product is far superior to any out there....hence our high load factors. It won't be tough to take people from them....they have no product and the people of DFW are dying for a new carrier to compete against AA. The really funny part, we have business travelers telling us they could care less about their miles at AA/UA or whoever. They want the far superior service that we provide at VA. Granted our limited route structure is hurting us a bit, but over time that will be fixed.
If Singapore sells it's share in Virgin Atlantic, that will only accelerate our move to bigger planes. That will change how V Austrailia and Virgin America do business...bigger and better. ;-)
Well give us another 6 mos and we will be putting the hurt on AA. Our product is far superior to any out there....hence our high load factors. It won't be tough to take people from them....they have no product and the people of DFW are dying for a new carrier to compete against AA. The really funny part, we have business travelers telling us they could care less about their miles at AA/UA or whoever. They want the far superior service that we provide at VA. Granted our limited route structure is hurting us a bit, but over time that will be fixed.
If Singapore sells it's share in Virgin Atlantic, that will only accelerate our move to bigger planes. That will change how V Austrailia and Virgin America do business...bigger and better. ;-)
Small business travellers maybe. But the Wall Street 100 has travel contracts with AA and VA wont be able to tap that no matter what their onboard experience is. I like your post but I think it is wishful thinking at best. AA is a sleeping giant I wouldnt want to wake when my cash position is shaky and my future in doubt.
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I agree with you ourmoney1, the big frequent flyer programs are designed to keep people loyal and are quite good at it.
Did DFW/SFO the other day. Guy came up to me at the gate asking about the lay of the land, best seats, ff program etc and saying he was an AA platinum but checking us out as he goes to LAX and SFO a lot. He came up to the flight deck at the end and said it was the best flight he'd been on in years. Was bummed he couldn't upgrade to first as it was full.
Now he is just one guy, but word of mouth from him is what we count on. We also are only a few flights a day as opposed to the 12 plus on AA. Are they going to discount all their flights in those city pairings to match our fares? If so, who is hurting who? BTW, we were close to full each way. Not saying we were making $$ on the flight, but close to full.
Did DFW/SFO the other day. Guy came up to me at the gate asking about the lay of the land, best seats, ff program etc and saying he was an AA platinum but checking us out as he goes to LAX and SFO a lot. He came up to the flight deck at the end and said it was the best flight he'd been on in years. Was bummed he couldn't upgrade to first as it was full.
Now he is just one guy, but word of mouth from him is what we count on. We also are only a few flights a day as opposed to the 12 plus on AA. Are they going to discount all their flights in those city pairings to match our fares? If so, who is hurting who? BTW, we were close to full each way. Not saying we were making $$ on the flight, but close to full.
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Of course you know that this was almost a year ago now but I figured it would be considerate to post this for your edification. It would seem that it was decided to better manage revenue by redeploying assets to higher yield long haul markets.
Now you can stop posting your question. Unless you were just being a petulant troll...
Virgin America drops O.C. flights
March 18, 2010|By GARY A. WARNER
Virgin America airlines said Thursday that it is dropping Orange County service, less than a year after a splashy debut.
John Wayne Aiirport officials said they were told late Wednesday that the announcement would be made Thursday morning. The news was buried in a long press release issued by the airline that touted new service between Los Angeles International, Orlando and Toronto. The final JWA flight will be May 26.
"Despite our relatively strong performance at SNA, given our new fleet plan and network prospects, we've made the decision to focus on the immediate long-haul opportunities that the Orlando and Toronto markets provide. We thank the SNA airport leadership and community for supporting us – and our teammates for their dedication," said Virgin America President and CEO David Cush in a press release.
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You talking pilot or executive compensation? In past start ups, both groups worked for less than industry average. Not only that, but hiring mins at said start ups were also much less than at established carriers. So yes, this is a first.
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Thanx, but my bad, I did not pour the sarcasm on thick enough. I am talking about pilot wages and how some pilots selfishly think that new airlines' pilots should demand the same pay as a legacy. It took us 30 years. Probably took the same at United, Delta, American, etc. Jet Blue is getting there, and they don't even have a union. Are unions even necessary these days?
I have frends at VA, they are very happy.
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Well said. I hate all the bashing for Jet Blue or Virgin. Heck I am sure SWA had its share of bashing by those at the majors (I am still rather confused at how there could be federal legislation on flying out of TX). I work at a regional and would work at either jet blue or Virgin and ofcourse SWA. wish jet blue had better (for me) bases and Virgin paid at least like Jetblue does.
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Please don't try to even compare the two.....you are telling me that you think Nigeria is the same as starting an airline in the largest market in the world. Give me a freakin break already!
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Ralph Cramden
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Because the mods will allow bashing of VA to stay on the majors board.
If someone asks for hiring info, well that's another story!
I agree with you, this belongs on the LCC National board.
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Sorry for the double post, but this board has no edit feature after a few hours.
This thread has been on the majors board since April.
This other thread: http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?t=137986 was posted on the majors board on 12/09 and moved to the LCC board quickly. The difference is it was started by someone asking for info while the current thread is a bash fest.
Be consistent mods, both threads belong on the LCC board.
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