Van ride with another crew, interesting comment...

[Beantown]

1) they actually pretend like everthing is honkey dorey because they get to fly around in larger jets even if at terrible work rules. You think under those contract conditions, an intelligent person would be discussing all the time how and when to change those in the future instead of defending it..

Mesa pilots wouldn't have to defend there contract if idiots like you would stop attacking them. At some point, if attacked enough, any human with a little pride is going to defend themselfs, even if they don't believe what they are saying. This is what happens at Mesa. The first few times a pilot is asked about or attacked because of the contract they agree. It sucks. After awhile, this gets old and they defend it knowing what they are saying is B.S.

The thing is, if others in this industry really want Mesa to imporve there contract in the next round, they should be standing next to them not attacking and isolating them. Your only making it harder on the Mesa pilots and in the long run worse on yourselfs. -Bean

 

[Fly2Scuba]

Mesa pilots wouldn't have to defend there contract if idiots like you would stop attacking them. At some point, if attacked enough, any human with a little pride is going to defend themselfs, even if they don't believe what they are saying. This is what happens at Mesa. The first few times a pilot is asked about or attacked because of the contract they agree. It sucks. After awhile, this gets old and they defend it knowing what they are saying is B.S.

The thing is, if others in this industry really want Mesa to imporve there contract in the next round, they should be standing next to them not attacking and isolating them. Your only making it harder on the Mesa pilots and in the long run worse on yourselfs. -Bean

Should the same logic be applied to G O J E T pilots? I don't like the reverse psychology (weak minded) BS and prefer straight to the point. That's a terrible argument to make on an internet board. I can see getting defensive in a face to face situation if the same person keeps bringing it up, but not here where you can choose to not read. Part of the repetitive nature of this is to warn potential job candidates about the situation at Mesa. If the airline has problems finding respectable candidates, maybe it will think twice about offering crappy work rules, just like G O J E T S. Just wonder sometimes how Mesa pilots really feel because not one has come forward on this post and said "what Ornstein has gotten away with is absolute BS". As for my other point, I jumpseated on Mesa during the contract vote a few years and the Captain of that flight said he was a yes voter so he could build his time and go to Southwest. Just seems like a large percentage have accepted this mentality. Just like musical chairs, gotta wonder when will it end.

 

[FN FAL]

The way this conversation is going, we don't need the hotel van.

 

[blueridge71]

So I'm riding with my crew to the hotel, along with a crew from another airline. It started with the "who do you fly for?" We told them, and I asked how about yourself, "MESA". It kinda got silent, then one of them talks about the CRJ-900. Someone asks, "what are the rates like for the 900?" One replies with, get this... "who cares man it's a 900, that thing is huge!":angryfire

Just say, "I thought it was a 50 seater. Oh, my mistake. I was thinking of your paycheck."

 

[relief tube]

You can hate Mesa but I'll tell you every time it is our Fricking CEO, not us that is the problem...

get a frickin' clue. I hate people always using that excuse. What a pansy. Grow a pair and fight for better wages and work rules. Join the union, thats what I did. 8 days off, bad pay, no block or better. Come on man. You raise your bar and it gets better for the rest of us.

 

[pookie]

On a seperate issue, why are the QX pilots never happy. I see them in the mornings on the same trip and they never smile.

 

[Spinplate]

get a frickin' clue. I hate people always using that excuse. What a pansy. Grow a pair and fight for better wages and work rules. Join the union, thats what I did. 8 days off, bad pay, no block or better. Come on man. You raise your bar and it gets better for the rest of us.

Join the union!!!!? Who the hell do you think negotiated the contract that Mesa currently has?? If you want it better at your company, you go fight for it....dont pawn it off on another airline....especially one who is actually making money and not in Ch. 11! All other pilots whine about Mesa more than Mesa pilots bitch about it. Granted! it does suck....some things about it, but its not that bad compared to going to work for someone who might be furloughing soon. Ill take the security for now. In 2007 if it comes to it, I WILL be out there with all my fellow pilots holding a sign.

 

[RP170]

get a frickin' clue. I hate people always using that excuse. What a pansy. Grow a pair and fight for better wages and work rules. Join the union, thats what I did. 8 days off, bad pay, no block or better. Come on man. You raise your bar and it gets better for the rest of us.

Couldn't agree more. It's always the CEO's fault according to the Mesa guys yet they are willing to go work there. What a bunch of tools.

 

[SpacemanSpiff]

Boo hoo....I'm NOT worthy!

Couldn't agree more. It's always the CEO's fault according to the Mesa guys yet they are willing to go work there. What a bunch of tools.

Boo hoo....everyone hates me and thinks I'm a tool...I should probably just shoot myself and put myself out of my (and the rest of the airline industry's) misery. Boo Hoo...

If only my fellow Mesa comrades and I had balls of steel, like all the other RJ superheros, the airline industry wouldn't be in the shape it is in. I'M SO SORRY FOR ALL THE MISERY and FURLOUGHS WE HAVE CAUSED! BOO HOO...IT's ALL OUR FAULT!!! AAAHHHH BOO HOO...

hehe

 

[Jack Mehoff]

Couldn't agree more. It's always the CEO's fault according to the Mesa guys yet they are willing to go work there. What a bunch of tools.

F OFF man you are a D!ck
did it ever occur to you that maybe its hard to picky when no one is hiring? 1/3 of the pilots at mesa came on after the shittie union got the contract. How is that their fault? You are flying a mainline jet for regional rates you bastard so shut the F up!
In 07 when the contract is up show some support and help your fellow pilot out. Until then shut up and back off, or don't ever dare try to J/S on mesa you D!ck Wrangler!

 

[Easy Mac]

I rode in a van with a Mesa crew once........the CA smelled like Play-Doh and the FA had bad dandruff.

 

[Dumbluck]

I have a friend who used to work at Mesa, same story as everybody. wanted to be a pilot. became a pilot. found out what a Mesa pilot life is like. But he is smarter than most. He quit Mesa and got a job flying a RJ for a 135 company.
Well, wait thats what your supposed to do after a couple years at a commuter. Whether your flying t-props or jets. They are a rung on the ladder, stop trying justify/bash working for unreasonably low wages. RP170, what did you make your first and second yr. and Mehoff, stop trying to defend a low ball outfit, your there because its a job, no more no less.

 

[acaTerry]

Again the point is their idiots. They be having a good time,

It is kind of hard to call someone else an idiot with grammar and spelling like this.

 

[acaTerry]

F OFF man you are a D!ck
did it ever occur to you that maybe its hard to picky when no one is hiring? 1/3 of the pilots at mesa came on after the shoottie union got the contract. How is that their fault? You are flying a mainline jet for regional rates you bastard so shut the F up!
In 07 when the contract is up show some support and help your fellow pilot out. Until then shut up and back off, or don't ever dare try to J/S on mesa you D!ck Wrangler!

No one is hiring? There are in fact jobs out there. I see you have 3000 hours, perhaps no one hiring with those kind of hours and YOU are the problem, not the industry. Every single post I have seen from you in all these threads simply reek of a person who is his own worst enemy.
Now go on and cuss me out too in another one of your tantrums little baby boy...
And reach into your backpack and pull out some more hair gel.

 

[Cloudroller]

Maybe Mr. Mehoff was hired by Mesa, before everyone else started hiring. (before Jan 2004) But he is right most of the pilots at Mesa were hired after the contract. I know several that were recently shot down by other regionals, before getting hired by Mesa. No one knows why they were not hired.

Here are a 2 fact's about the Mesa contract. It was one of the first signed after 911. And their was this thing called Freedom - that was taking the flying away from the mesa pilots. Lines were being reduced by 20 every bid period.

The Mesa contract is really good if you have been their 10+ years, and your involved with ALPA. Get a copy of the line awards for PHX and you will see most of the ALPA leadership are on the topend of the payscale and rarely fly if its not their day off they get the trip droped for ALPA.

Its funny how most of the people that complain about Mesa's pilot contract don't even work their. During the Comair strike I remember having 300$ pulled from my paycheck to help their strike fund. I would hope the Mesa guys would get the same support in 2007 or when ever their conract is up.

DON'T confuse the Freedom A listers with the Freedom @ MCO - thoes guys were displaced out of CLT and did not have a choice.

 

[007]

And did ya all know,

MY D*CK is bigger than all yours combined.........


Seriously...

WE can't be that shallow.

 

[GINCHBLASTER]

Why dont you compare a 5th year CRJ 900 CA at Mesa with a 5th year CA at XJT. Ill tell you the truth, people like you are the reason this "career" has been swirling down the toliet bowl.

I was curious, so I checked them both out.
5 year CRJ/ERJ $59 at Mesa
5 Year in 700 $62 at Mesa
5 year in 900 $67 at Mesa

5 year in 135 at ExpressJet $58
5 year in 145 at ExpressJet $66

These pay rates are not that much different. Actually Mesa has the upper hand on both the smallest aircraft in each companys fleet, and the largest.

I'm not defending Mesa, I just hate to see any regional airline pilot think they are better than someone else cause they work for a different company. All regional airlines are not anything to brag about. They all suck. i dont care if you make $2 an hour more than the other guy and you get 30 cents more per diem, or that you get 1 or 2 additional days off a month. Who give a crap. When it comes down to it, they all suck.

 

[belchfire]

hehehe...he said "RJ"

hehehe...

 

[SkyBoy1981]

I was curious, so I checked them both out.
5 year CRJ/ERJ $59 at Mesa
5 Year in 700 $62 at Mesa
5 year in 900 $67 at Mesa

5 year in 135 at ExpressJet $58
5 year in 145 at ExpressJet $66

These pay rates are not that much different. Actually Mesa has the upper hand on both the smallest aircraft in each companys fleet, and the largest.

I'm not defending Mesa, I just hate to see any regional airline pilot think they are better than someone else cause they work for a different company. All regional airlines are not anything to brag about. They all suck. i dont care if you make $2 an hour more than the other guy and you get 30 cents more per diem, or that you get 1 or 2 additional days off a month. Who give a crap. When it comes down to it, they all suck.

Your comparison is not fairly balanced. Since there are only a handful of 135's on property anyway, a 135 Captain at XJT will only be on that payscale for a couple of months before holding 145 Captain at which time his pay will be increased. This is drastically different from a CRJ/ERJ Captain at Mesa moving over to the 700 or 900 since those airplanes have smaller seniority lists. So, a new XJT CA will be at 145 pay within the first few months of upgrading making $66 an hour, while the Mesa Captain would have to hold the 900 in order to make the same amount of pay. How long do you think that would take? I'm guessing its more than a few months. So, in the meantime he is going to be stuck making $7 an hour less than the XJT Captain. $7 an hour IS a big difference when factored over the course of a month or a year. Also, lets not forget that the "largest" aircraft at XJT still seats half as many people as the largest aircraft at Mesa...and they are making a buck more per hour. Woopee.

You can selectively go through and pick things out to compare the two all you want, but I will still be enjoying my 20+ day vacation next month while being paid for two 4 day trips that were dropped for touching my vacation period. That is all that I have to say about that.

 

[squall line]

Your comparison is not fairly balanced. Since there are only a handful of 135's on property anyway, a 135 Captain at XJT will only be on that payscale for a couple of months before holding 145 Captain at which time his pay will be increased. This is drastically different from a CRJ/ERJ Captain at Mesa moving over to the 700 or 900....those airplanes are completely different animals that have a completely different training process, not to mention smaller seniority lists. So, a new XJT CA will be at 145 pay within the first few months of upgrading making $66 an hour, while the Mesa Captain would have to hold the 900 in order to make the same amount of pay. How long do you think that would take? I'm guessing its more than a few months. Also, lets not forget that the "largest" aircraft at XJT still seats half as many people as the largest aircraft at Mesa...and they are making a buck more per hour. Woopee.

You can selectively go through and pick things out to compare the two all you want, but I will still be enjoying my 20+ day vacation next month while being paid for two 4 day trips that were dropped for touching my vacation period. That is all that I have to say about that.

At Mesa if you fly the CRJ, you are trained to fly ALL of the crj's. Why do you say there is a different training process? Junior CRJ CA's fly the 700/900's too. Yes, our new IAH base went senior for CA's due to pay since only 900's will fly there, but our other bases with 200/700/900 flying is fairly evenly spread out between all pilots because of the way lines are built.

SL