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General, you are worse than Lowcure the airline analcyst.

While that might be true he does speak a greater truth than any eastie that's posted here! I hope the USAPA ship sinks fast!
 
reepicheep said:
So General; refresh our memories - why were the Delta pilots so adamantly opposed to the proposed US Airways merger back in 2006?
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How long have you been a member of this website ? How long have you been posting on this forum regarding USAir ? ...and you still have to ask that question ??? :eek: Sheeeshhhh..........if you can't figure it out by now, ya never will :rolleyes:

PHXFLYR:cool:

Proud non-member
 
God bless that nic award. With that in place no other pilot group could possibly figure a way to merge that list, ie do I go junior to the AWA guy with 10 years less longevity or do I go senior to the USAir guy that has been working for 25 years. It all sounds ugly. Nobody will want anything to do with that mess which is fine with me.
 
General Lee said:
You East guys are a bunch of babies, and it's time for you to go to your rooms for a "time out." You will hopefully lose big time. Hey, if you accept binding arbitration, and you knew Nicelau (you wanted him initially), and he kept telling you DOH wouldn't work and to come up with something else, and you didn't, then TOO BAD.

I love the part when Easties say the West didn't help them financially. I have a question for you---did you buy your house with cash? Probably not--probably got a mortgage like everyone else. America West didn't buy you with cash, but HAD THE CREDIT to help finance your buyout, and save your ARSES. Don't forget that!

Bye Bye--General Lee
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So - who saved (your ARSES) when you re-organized under Chapter 11?

Metrojet
 
Metro752 said:
General, you are worse than Lowcure the airline analcyst.
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Wow, that made me cry for a millisecond. So anyways........the key point here is that the East Babies agreed to binding arbitration, but then didn't like the outcome. So, they pulled out of ALPA and started their own union, which tried to get around the BINDING ARBITRATION, and not represent almost half of the group, while trying to force them to pay for it.

What does that SPELL? It spells "LOSERS." I hope all Easties have to pay back the Westies that were furloughed in their own cash, and then I can't wait to see the 24 year East FOs that have to bow down to the 10 year West Captains.(they may never fly together, though) And, if the East FOs don't like it, they can go look for another job, which was an OPTION for them for the last 20 years. Look at the guys who were furloughed from the East and ended up senior at Jetblue. It's called "leaving your comfort zone." Look into it if you want to bi$%h.


Bye Bye--General Lee
 
Metrojet said:
So - who saved (your ARSES) when you re-organized under Chapter 11?

Metrojet
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Huh? We came out of it fine, after giving up our pensions (although I got over $200,000 after coming out of BK--how did you guys do at USAir?). Luckily we didn't get trapped by Dougwiser, and we actually found a partner that made us stronger as a whole. And what did that lead to? A joint contract that gave everyone a raise (although negotiating during $140 a barrel oil wasn't the best timing), and a platform for the future. How are you guys doing? Can't wait to see the result of this trial....


Bye Bye--General Lee
 
"...(although I got over $200,000 after coming out of BK--how did you guys do at USAir?)."

Careful General, you sound like Brownonthebone.
 
General,

You're doing a fine job a campaigning for ALPA. You sound like everyone's dream come true as far as a union brother is concerned.
 
BeCareful! said:
General,

You're doing a fine job a campaigning for ALPA. You sound like everyone's dream come true as far as a union brother is concerned.
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Are you an East Baby? Look, the arbitrator decided your fate. You couldn't take it. That means YOU SUCK. IF YOU AGREE TO IT, then DO IT. Otherwise, you look and act like a chump.

Bye Bye--General Lee
 
Colonel Savage said:
"...(although I got over $200,000 after coming out of BK--how did you guys do at USAir?)."

Careful General, you sound like Brownonthebone.
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The other poster asked who helped us in BK. I stated we lost something, but gained something also (the money), and other airlines couldn't get the same deal. That is the way it goes. Blame your own MEC.

Bye Bye--General Lee
 
LearLove said:
outside of this trial stuff:

for east and west guys please member that there is only 2 days left to (re)vote for USAPA pres - more importantly and the topic of this post is that the same vote includes a vote to extend furlough health coverage to the west guys. Regardless of where you stand please help your fellow pilot by voting yes on this issue.
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Thanks for bringing this up Lear... I'm not enjoying the financial side of my furlough but having health care for my family eases the anxiety level to some degree.
 
Tejas-Jet said:
C'mon General....you should already know the result of this trial.....whoever loses will file an appeal...
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To have an appeal filed, there must be proof that there was corruption, wrong-doing, or illegality by the court or witnesses.

An appeal may not be filed because the loser of the battle did not like the outcome of the case because it did not go their way like the easties view of the Nicolau award.

This is the end of the road boys and girls. Get over it and move forward.

airbusbb
 
DiverDriver said:
Well General if we're going to go around that circular arguement again I'll jump in. If money is what saves an airline then Air Wisconsin pilots should have a seniority number ahead of every America West pilot because AWAC invested 125M BEFORE the merger was announced. And it wasn't OPM it was OUR money. So, you gonna stand up for our rights and claims?
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Excuse me , that was not a "purchase" or "merge" your company had to pay to play....

Airways sucked a fee out of your company just to let you have the 'privilege" to fly for them....
This "investment" gave new meaning to the term outsourcing a contract carrier!
 
TWA Dude said:
If the West prevails there will be a trial for damages and those damages will be enacted pending appeal.
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Friends of mine on the West side stated this judge used to be an appellate (sp?) judge in AZ, and will make sure the decision has ZERO loopholes or anything his buddies on the appellate side could use to reverse it. So, needless to say he will have it "covered." (He knows how to play the game....)

Bye Bye--General Lee
 
captairbusbb said:
To have an appeal filed, there must be proof that there was corruption, wrong-doing, or illegality by the court or witnesses.

An appeal may not be filed because the loser of the battle did not like the outcome of the case because it did not go their way like the easties view of the Nicolau award.

This is the end of the road boys and girls. Get over it and move forward.

airbusbb
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Most excellent point....
 
BeCareful! said:
General,

You're doing a fine job a campaigning for ALPA. You sound like everyone's dream come true as far as a union brother is concerned.
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:eek: Huh ???...someone who supports "tyranny over the minority " spouting off about "union brotherhood ?? "
Man is that rich . :rolleyes:

PHXFLYR:cool:
 
Doug and co. should never have touched USAir. If they had let the free market have it's way, the only seniority list the USAir pilots would be complaining about would be the one at Home Depot.
 
HomerJ said:
Doug and co. should never have touched USAir. If they had let the free market have it's way, the only seniority list the USAir pilots would be complaining about would be the one at Home Depot.
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then they would be senior to AW, at the depot, cause there doors would have shut soon after.
 
General Lee said:
You East guys are a bunch of babies, and it's time for you to go to your rooms for a "time out." You will hopefully lose big time. Hey, if you accept binding arbitration, and you knew Nicelau (you wanted him initially), and he kept telling you DOH wouldn't work and to come up with something else, and you didn't, then TOO BAD.
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Having spent 4 days in the courtroom myself, it is obvious that the East wanted to evade binding arbitration. Too bad for them, USAPA is driving a Yugo and the cops are closing in.

Verdict by Tuesday or Wednesday.
 
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Cowboy75 said:
Having spent 4 days in the courtroom myself, it is obvious that the East wanted to evade binding arbitration. Too bad for them, USAPA is driving a Yugo and the cops are closing in.

Verdict by Tuesday or Wednesday.
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The East is trying desperately to make a case to the jury that the award isn't fair. Unfortunately for them, the trial is about whether or not USAPA is properly representing the West pilots, not about integration. What I find amazing while sitting in the courtroom is how the East boys explain USAPA is better for West pilots because it eliminated ALPA's "log jam" requirement of dual ratification by each MEC and subsequently, each pilot group. Since the East outvotes the West almost 2 to 1, they're going to push whatever agenda they see fit. But don't worry....their constitution promises to be fair.

Unfortunatly, if they convince one jurist that some West "kid" is trying to steal the money poor Sully is saving to keep from living in a van by the river, it's over. What ever the judge might have said about the objective of the case is moot and the BS that the East has been pulling in court worked..and they have pulled some antics.

Let's hope the system works.
 

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