USAPA sues some America West Pilots

[Turtle21]

I bet it felt good to make all those calls. Sorta like a kid feels when he finishes grinding all the Crayola crayons on mom's living-room walls.

http://www.planebusiness.com/buzz/awausapa.pdf

55. Between April 21, 2008 and May 1, 2008, approximately 1,481 telephone
calls to the USAPA toll-free number originated from the telephone number (xxx) xxx-
1006 for a total of approximately 9,767 minutes. Upon information and belief, this
telephone number is registered to defendant Cundari at xxxx West Glass Lane, Phoenix,
Arizona 85041.
56. In addition to the above calls made by defendant Cundari from his
residence, he also made 837 calls, for a total of 5,516 minutes, to USAPA’s toll-free
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telephone number from his cellular telephone between April 19, 2008 and May 1, 2008.
Upon information and belief, Cundari’s cellular telephone carrier is Verizon Wireless and
his cell phone number is (xxx) xxx-7650.
Case 3:08-cv-00246-GCM Document 1 Filed 05/30/2008 Page 18 of 52

 

[Fly-n-hi]

you are correct, those East pilots should have just all given up their seats to the West and gone away. And since they didn't do that the new union should just allow every attack possible by any one of the numerous Internet tough guys to slowly drain resources. How dare they try and stop someone from using the Safety hotline for political purposes!

What seats were taken away from them?

It seems to me that this suit gives AWAPPA some serious credibility in the sense that USAPA is scared enough to try and shut them up.

 

[Fly-n-hi]

The really sad part is that most of the AWA pilots I've spoken to are actually ok with an in house association. If you East folks would just drop the DOH attitude I think most of us would be ok with USAPA.

I love the comments in the suit and on this board that say it was democratic process that allowed USAPA to replace ALPA. Its like we've been brainwashed to believe that as long as it was voted by democratic process it must be ok. This is a clear example of why democracy is bad and why the founding fathers created the U.S. the be a Democratic Republic.

I read that democracy is two wolves and a sheep deciding whats for dinner. Unfortunately for USAPA the AWA sheep came ready to fight.

A vote for USAPA was a vote for disaster.

 

[FR8mastr]

What seats were taken away from them?

None, Nic has not been used.

It seems to me that this suit gives AWAPPA some serious credibility in the sense that USAPA is scared enough to try and shut them up.

Scared? I must disagree on that count. USAPA had no choice, what were they to do, nothing? Running up phone bills was bad enough, but using the safety hotline for this crap had to stop.

 

[imacdog]

Sad state of affairs with so-called professionals.

 

[Soulfly]

Hey USAPA, where is that new contract you promised within two weeks of winning the vote?

 

[igneousy2]

Wow, talk about a desperate scatter-shot.

Jury trial! Dream on! I don't think this case will last 10 minutes in front of a judge. Federal RICO requires extortion (or murder, kidnapping, arson, robbery, bribery, or drug dealing) ...even if all of there allegations are true there was no demand for property/money therefore there is no extortion....therefore Federal RICO laws and I suspect NC RICO laws do not apply. If you told the owner of a Diner that "if you don't give me 1.0 million dollars I will tell everyone your food sucks" you would be guilty of extortion. If you told everyone through web postings, etc. that "the food sucks" and it caused the diner to lose 1.0 dollars you might be guilty of defamation but you are not guilty of extortion.

As far as the $300,000 a month, it seems to me that the primary beef is with US Air not enforcing the Agency Shop provisions of the contract not with the AWAPPA.

Good luck.

 

[aa73]

What's with providing all of the AWA pilots' addresses? That would seem like a breach of privacy to me....

Unbelievable. USAPA is a joke. Good luck AWA homies.

73

 

[PCL_128]

What's with providing all of the AWA pilots' addresses? That would seem like a breach of privacy to me....

Unbelievable. USAPA is a joke. Good luck AWA homies.

73

You see that, USCABASSes? Even the APA members think you're a joke, not just the ALPA members. What a fine little mess you've created for yourselves.

 

[GuppyWN]

No sense in letting a dead dog lie when you can kick the sh!t out of him in public.

I used to feel sorry for the Cactus dudes. Now it's turned to pity. Poor guys.

Gup

 

[BeCareful!]

Wrong....that's just one APA member. Many APA and countless ALPA members have congratulated us on ridding ourselves of ALPA.

ALPA sucks. That's why they are no longer here. You should really get over it, PCL, especially since you work for a carrier that has no link to any of this, one with a large population of very questionable characters when it comes to organized labor, eh? You must really be in need of a life to spend so much time on this topic.

 

[trainer8]

What's with providing all of the AWA pilots' addresses? That would seem like a breach of privacy to me....

Unbelievable. USAPA is a joke. Good luck AWA homies.

73

Read the document: http://www.planebusiness.com/buzz/awausapa.pdf

This is professionalism?

Read it. After your done, tell me, how this is in anyway, normal behavior, by anyone, regardless of who there tagged by.

Wow....

PCL? REZ? Did you read it? Is that the ALPA CoE coming through?

T8

 

[get2flyin]

Read the document: http://www.planebusiness.com/buzz/awausapa.pdf

This is professionalism?

Read it. After your done, tell me, how this is in anyway, normal behavior, by anyone, regardless of who there tagged by.

Wow....

PCL? REZ? Did you read it? Is that the ALPA CoE coming through?

T8

I read it. Every line. I laughed so hard I almost pissed myself. How this behavior any different than the types of things the Easties did when they were trying desperately to sabotage ALPA? I remember very distinctly the East attitude after the Nic award was focused spreading the fear of "those unqualified West pilots coming out to steal your jobs". The East pilots were willing to run ALPA out at all costs.

Well, fella, you got your wish. Now the shoe is on the other foot. A sham "union" (that supposedly represents everyone but was created on the promise of sacrificing the West to help the East) is running the show. And NOW you're preaching unity and your merry band of pirates can't understand why everyone isn't lining up to play make-believe union with you. Surely, you're smarter than your post makes you sound.

 

[CopilotDoug]

Just when you thought those USAPA guys couldn't go any lower..........

Taking a dump in a box and mailing it is not low? What boggles me is that pilots will take these fratricidal actions against eachother, but they'll roll right over for management?

 

[trainer8]

I read it. Every line. I laughed so hard I almost pissed myself. How this behavior any different than the types of things the Easties did when they were trying desperately to sabotage ALPA? I remember very distinctly the East attitude after the Nic award was focused spreading the fear of "those unqualified West pilots coming out to steal your jobs". The East pilots were willing to run ALPA out at all costs.

Well, fella, you got your wish. Now the shoe is on the other foot. A sham "union" (that supposedly represents everyone but was created on the promise of sacrificing the West to help the East) is running the show. And NOW you're preaching unity and your merry band of pirates can't understand why everyone isn't lining up to play make-believe union with you. Surely, you're smarter than your post makes you sound.

Can you document where Easties mailed feces to ALPA or AWA ALPA after GN made his declarative? Besides, you didn't answer the questions, just ranted about how you laughed at the behavior.

Nice.

BTW, I'm not a member of USAPA, so I don't have a "merry little band of pirates." You'll have to bark up somebody else's tree. I'm just amazed at the professionalism documented in the filing. I also amazed to see you're proud of that kind of behavior and would stand with those who do those kinds of things. :erm:

What does your lanyard say? Integrity Matters?

Wow...

 

[aa73]

Wrong....that's just one APA member. Many APA and countless ALPA members have congratulated us on ridding ourselves of ALPA.

ALPA sucks. That's why they are no longer here. You should really get over it, PCL, especially since you work for a carrier that has no link to any of this, one with a large population of very questionable characters when it comes to organized labor, eh? You must really be in need of a life to spend so much time on this topic.

While I'm no fan of ALPA, what irks me is the very reason USAPA was formed - to overturn the Nic award. And not only that, it was formed AFTER the Easties promised to abide by "binding neutral arbitration", which is really the fairest process in settling an integration.

In other words, there's a wee bit of an odor.... as the Brits are fond of saying.

73

 

[eaglesview]

What's with providing all of the AWA pilots' addresses? That would seem like a breach of privacy to me....

Unbelievable. USAPA is a joke. Good luck AWA homies.

73

It's public info anyway.

 

[Sig]

Resolved: That our vaunted union's foresight is limited, and

Resolved: Summary head-up-arse syndrome exacerbates said myopia, and

Resolved: Short of sticking fingers in our ears and screaming "LA LA LA," table thumping, yelling at mommy because the West isn't keeping their toys on their side of the back seat, and throwing an especially pitiful tantrum in a North Carolina court, and

Resolved: The only thing that overshadows our phenomenal short-sightedness is our self emasculating sense of entitlement,

BE IT RESOLVED: Even Ray Charles would have seen something like this coming.

Jesus Harold Christ on a pogo stick! Can these guys (East) put on their big girl panties and start behaving like men?

This is pitiful.

 

[PCL_128]

Read the document: http://www.planebusiness.com/buzz/awausapa.pdf

This is professionalism?

Read it. After your done, tell me, how this is in anyway, normal behavior, by anyone, regardless of who there tagged by.

Wow....

PCL? REZ? Did you read it? Is that the ALPA CoE coming through?

T8

Yes, I read it. If the document is to be believed, then I couldn't possibly be more proud of the AWA pilot group. The actions described are not only ethical, they are the very types of actions that this nation was built upon. Resisting a tyrannical organization that seeks to harm you and force its will upon you is something to be commended. Bravo to the AWAPPA members and all AWA pilots that are standing up for themselves!

 

[Ocity]

Yes, I read it. If the document is to be believed, then I couldn't possibly be more proud of the AWA pilot group. The actions described are not only ethical, they are the very types of actions that this nation was built upon. Resisting a tyrannical organization that seeks to harm you and force its will upon you is something to be commended. Bravo to the AWAPPA members and all AWA pilots that are standing up for themselves!

Agreed. All is fair in War.