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Bringupthebird said:
Nope, ALPA president has the right to sign a contract with the company without membership ratification. If USAPA thought they could get away with it, they would do the same. And the ignorant east sheep would be none the wiser.

A little union experience would go along way with the east pilots. Unfortunately they engage the A/P and go to sleep.
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Haven't visited here for months or years, but it just amazes me that you guys spend your lives rehashing thoughts like these over and over and over and over. What the ALPA President can or cannot do? What? And dissing the union chops of an organization that started from scratch and has successfully navigated a merger where the company is basically unable to whipsaw us on compensation, because we all get the same money right away? Dude, you are living so far in the past you can't think straight. That's OK....just keep writing those checks to Harper.
 
Silver said nothing more than every other court has said - That Intent to Unfairly Represent and actually Failing to Fairly Represent are two different things. Once they actually try to discard the Nic and present a DOH plan - they will have satisfied the requirement for a ripe DFR and an injunction will be issued. The court can protect from harm, but not from sabre rattling and promises of harm (in this case).

Prior to that, the courts just shake their head at the stupidity of pilots to not remove a tyrannical and non-performing union. For 8 years no one has demanded that USAPA defend itself against another union in an election and they have ridden a 200-some vote margin of victory into a monumental waste of money and cemented the hatred between two groups of people. All for nothing!
 
Actually, she said "Denied" on all counts.

Keep writing those checks!!!! Or can you guys pay Harper electronically?
 
BeCareful! said:
And dissing the union chops of an organization that started from scratch and has successfully
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Nope and nope. Started through the use of ALPA assets and lists and they have been successful at nothing. You really should wake up. Regardless of your bigger check recently, the money you have lost over the course of this is gone forever and is more than you can imagine.

The longer you're here, the more that reality will haunt you.
 
USAPA won nothing yesterday but delay on the merits of the list(s) it will pass to APA and still owes the West fair representation. AOL asked for the world on the passing of the MOU and got nothing, but USAPA lost a seat at the table at single CBA according to Silver's world.
 
Carl, explain again why USAPA should bother showing up at any table? (other than the one where the BPR stuffs it's collective face on FPL at the members expense)

"Que -SAPA -SAPA What ever will be, will be".
 
Bringupthebird said:
Nope and nope. Started through the use of ALPA assets and lists and they have been successful at nothing. You really should wake up. Regardless of your bigger check recently, the money you have lost over the course of this is gone forever and is more than you can imagine.

The longer you're here, the more that reality will haunt you.
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It's not more than you can imagine - it's the time value of an average $50,000 x 7 years- +/- $400,000 per pilot

And never forget that republic e170 drivers made a LOT more than their e190 drivers.

Such intelligent pride the east must feel

And the pride of knowing they undercut every pilot from every company while they lost that
 
waveflyer said:
So...can anyone post said decision??

Bc ....imagine this :-/. Once again both sides claiming victory
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Plaintiff made 4 claims, Silver held trial on the merits...

Claim 1: USAPA breached its DFR for abandoning the Nic in the MOU..
Judgment in favor of USAPA

Claim 2: USAirways breached its contract to use the NIC...
Judgment in favor of USAirways.

Claim 3: AOL is entitled to attorney's fees...
Judgment, dismissed

Claim 4: AOL is entitled to separate representational agent for SLI...
Judgement in favor of USAPA

http://leonidas.cactuspilots.us/West_Pilot_DFR_DJ/Order.pdf


IT IS ORDERED AND ADJUDGED that pursuant to the Court's Order of January 10, 2014, judgment is hereby entered as follows: judgment in favor of Defendant US Airline Pilots Association on Count I and Count IV, judgment in favor of US Airways, Inc. on Count II, and a judgment of dismissal without prejudice on Count III. This action are hereby terminated.
 
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Nic was "final and binding"

You ignoring that is....?
 
Of course Silver knows that USAPA has been neutered and that they have no way to force a DOH list down anyone's throat. Since OJ got off, I have been pretty jaded about the justice system in our country, that is until I read her ruling. She fully understands the slime that Slime-ansky was spewing on USAPA's behalf. She knows that USAPA is a sham, but only the pilots have the power to dump USAPA and the little cowards were scared of the boogeyman Bradford concocted. So they gave up their chance to unify and build a better airline AND get their upgrades at the same time, all because they were too dumb to see through Bradfords bull. Now they think they are rolling in dough, when in fact they will likely retire before they earn back what they could have had the past 8 years.
 
Wanna bet Shear 'em, I mean Seham and Slime-ansky got more from USAPA? They did a great job representing USAPA for the slime that they are. Did they give you a few refrigerator magnets so you can call with a DUI or whiplash case? Maybe you shot a hole in your jet and you need to trade a few grievances in exchange for your job. Call 'em!

The judges know what to expect when USAPA lawyers slither (or is it ooze) in. Read Silver's ruling.
 
Bringupthebird said:
Wanna bet Shear 'em, I mean Seham and Slime-ansky got more from USAPA? They did a great job representing USAPA for the slime that they are. Did they give you a few refrigerator magnets so you can call with a DUI or whiplash case? Maybe you shot a hole in your jet and you need to trade a few grievances in exchange for your job. Call 'em!

The judges know what to expect when USAPA lawyers slither (or is it ooze) in. Read Silver's ruling.
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Or letting a fake Air France pilot jumpseat to PBI.

(Without knowing the facts)

Classic!
 
Bringupthebird said:
Wanna bet Shear 'em, I mean Seham and Slime-ansky got more from USAPA? They did a great job representing USAPA for the slime that they are. Did they give you a few refrigerator magnets so you can call with a DUI or whiplash case? Maybe you shot a hole in your jet and you need to trade a few grievances in exchange for your job. Call 'em!

The judges know what to expect when USAPA lawyers slither (or is it ooze) in. Read Silver's ruling.
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The difference between Seham and Marty is that Seham was smarter.... Well, no that's not true... Both made plenty of money... The only difference between Seham and Marty is that Seham was right and delivered. :D
 
Dornier 335 said:
Or letting a fake Air France pilot jumpseat to PBI.

(Without knowing the facts)

Classic!
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Not sure where you're going with this, but it was the gate agent that let the fake pilot on-board. It was the vigilance and professionalism of the crew that got him off the plane. So, if you're trying to slam an East crew for this, you're barking up the wrong tree. If not, sorry, I just didn't get where you're coming from.
 
The news reports said that the "pilot" had sat in the jumpseat. Gate agents don't generally bring JS riders to the cockpit and direct them to sit in the jumpseat. Reports also said that the gate agent removed the "pilot" but mentioned nothing about pilot involvement.

If you have more details other than what was reported in the media, please elaborate.
 
Turtle21 said:
The difference between Seham and Marty is that Seham was smarter.... Well, no that's not true... Both made plenty of money... The only difference between Seham and Marty is that Seham was right and delivered. :D
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No, in all cases the judge made the distinction between actual versus threatened harm. They have never judged the merits of the Nic (like Seham wanted to do) only the responsibility that USAPA has to not harm the west. USAPA has chosen to do nothing. How does that make Seham right? If USAPA actually implemented a DOH list that stood up to court challenge, then you may have a point. As it is you're just confused and looking more than a little ignorant.
 
Bringupthebird said:
The news reports said that the "pilot" had sat in the jumpseat. Gate agents don't generally bring JS riders to the cockpit and direct them to sit in the jumpseat. Reports also said that the gate agent removed the "pilot" but mentioned nothing about pilot involvement.

If you have more details other than what was reported in the media, please elaborate.
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Seriously? You used a 4th grade reading comprehension news paper article (and not specifically aviation related) on this board as a reference to publicly accuse those east pilots of letting a fake pilot ride the jumpseat!

Too bad that the company's and your all time FAVORITE union's internal investigation came up with quite a different version on what you boasted on this board. The information was available to all actively employed pilots.

I am really amazed at your selective level of ignorance. Want me to dig any further?
 
Details? What investigation? What union for that matter? Otherwise it's your word (and the reputation of east pilot's ignorance) against the newspaper.
 
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Bringupthebird said:
The news reports said that the "pilot" had sat in the jumpseat. Gate agents don't generally bring JS riders to the cockpit and direct them to sit in the jumpseat. Reports also said that the gate agent removed the "pilot" but mentioned nothing about pilot involvement.

If you have more details other than what was reported in the media, please elaborate.
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Not sure which article you were looking at, but all the ones I read said the pilots "became suspicious" after he couldn't work the jumpseat. It was the police that "escorted" him off the plane. (And then they promptly arrested him).

I know you won't accept this as fact, but you can read the USAPA Security Update from 31 March 2013 for more details. Interestingly, it matches the company's short explanation as well.
 
Turtle21 said:
So? The Nic was never on trial.
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Please don't tell us you didn't know this. See why you can't trust McKee to tell you everything?

No the fairness of the Nic has never been what the DFR trials have been about. Seham and Slime-ansky kept trying to bring that up, but they have been shot down every time.

So all this time you've greenlighted the bankruptcy (both moral and financial) of your union in a pursuit of which you don't have the slightest understanding? Did you ever question the wisdom of the landyard campaign? How about the Full Pay to the Last Day?

How about anything?
 
Bringupthebird said:
Please don't tell us you didn't know this. See why you can't trust McKee to tell you everything?

No the fairness of the Nic has never been what the DFR trials have been about. Seham and Slime-ansky kept trying to bring that up, but they have been shot down every time.

So all this time you've greenlighted the bankruptcy (both moral and financial) of your union in a pursuit of which you don't have the slightest understanding? Did you ever question the wisdom of the landyard campaign? How about the Full Pay to the Last Day?

How about anything?
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USAirways and USAPA were the defendants on trial for DFR and breach...Or did you forget? :D

Donate now! Victory imminent... Really this time will be the winner! :)
 

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