Usapa recall vote tally

[St. Nic]

Can you cite the legal "wins" in USAPA's favor. This should be entertaining. We can wait for you to finish you call to Bill McKee.

9th!

Unripe!!!

 

[LearLove]

I think that the "intended job" of a union is to represent all the pilots and return value for dues.

So, how did USAPA do it's "intended job" unless you want to explain the sham that got it served with a DFR case.

It doesn't really matter which union it is/was (ALPA, USAPA or whatever). The Nic is/was never implemented because a majority of the union members (read east) never allowed a contract or came to an agreement on a joint contract.

Nothing more than 5th grade recess politics. You guys (west) "won" wrt to the arbitration (read NIC) but the east was able to exploit the fact that it wouldn't be realized until a joint contract was voted in. Doesn't matter if we'd stayed ALPA or USAPA or Moon Dog Express Union. The union represented (and continues to represent) what a majority of its members want/wanted. Or in other words you guys have been "strong armed".

If there hadn't been language wrt to the NIC being implemented only when a JCBA was reached then east wouldn't have a leg to stand on. Unfortunately for the west it did and the east exploited it. The down side for the east is we had to live under LOA93. Everything has a tradeoff.

A union doesn't represent every single member individually it represents what the majority want.


TIT for TAT. Like the rapper guys say. Don't hate the player, hate the game. And the game is still being played.

 

[Bringupthebird]

No, ALPA National had both the authority and the responsibility to implement the Nic by signing the joint contract over the objection of the east. Unfortunately when they needed to summon the nerve to carry it out, they wimped out and tried to curry favor from a position of self-created weakness. Hence the birth of USAPA.

ALPA chose the arbitration process so that they would not be in the awkward position of choosing winners and losers, ironically a position that USAPA made it's foundation.

So it did make a difference. A real union would not extort dues from people it knew it had no intention of representing and would not lie to its supporters in order to cement the power of a very few at the expense of the majority. It would defend it's position using a better rationale than "because we can".

Had USAPA formed prior to the arbitration, what you say would be quite true, but they chose the chickensh/t path of suckling on the ALPA teat and then abandoning both the process and their principles when they didn't get their way. For that reason they will always be looked upon as the chiknsh/ts that they are.

Are you planning on proudly framing your USAPA card?

 

[LearLove]

No, ALPA National had both the authority and the responsibility to implement the Nic by signing the joint contract over the objection of the east.

A contract by ALPA would have had to been voted on by the members and any contract containing NIC would have been voted down as long as the east was the majority.

 

[St. Nic]

No, ALPA National had both the authority and the responsibility to implement the Nic by signing the joint contract over the objection of the east. Unfortunately when they needed to summon the nerve to carry it out, they wimped out and tried to curry favor from a position of self-created weakness. Hence the birth of USAPA.

ALPA chose the arbitration process so that they would not be in the awkward position of choosing winners and losers, ironically a position that USAPA made it's foundation.

So it did make a difference. A real union would not extort dues from people it knew it had no intention of representing and would not lie to its supporters in order to cement the power of a very few at the expense of the majority. It would defend it's position using a better rationale than "because we can".

Had USAPA formed prior to the arbitration, what you say would be quite true, but they chose the chickensh/t path of suckling on the ALPA teat and then abandoning both the process and their principles when they didn't get their way. For that reason they will always be looked upon as the chiknsh/ts that they are.

Are you planning on proudly framing your USAPA card?

Nic is dead. Get over it

 

[General Lee]

Nic is dead. Get over it

Did Judge Silver tell you that? Nah, you made it up, just like your "union..." If the NIC is dead, then so is the binding arbitration process. You can't sign up for something and just get away with not accepting the award. Unlikely.



Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[St. Nic]

Did Judge Silver tell you that? Nah, you made it up, just like your "union..." If the NIC is dead, then so is the binding arbitration process. You can't sign up for something and just get away with not accepting the award. Unlikely.



Bye Bye---General Lee

Usapa was created to right the wrongs of alpa.
The Nic died with alpa

 

[Ocity]

Usapa was created to right the wrongs of alpa.
The Nic died with alpa

"USAPA is on Dangerous ground. Arbitration is powerful evidence of a FAIR RESULT"

Any guesses who stated the above?

Nic. Didn't go anywhere.

 

[JetMonkey]

Usapa was created to right the wrongs of alpa.
The Nic died with alpa

The biggest lie there ever was.. Everyone knows why ucrapa was created. Come on a$$wipe, fess up!

 

[Bringupthebird]

A contract by ALPA would have had to been voted on by the members and any contract containing NIC would have been voted down as long as the east was the majority.

Nope, ALPA president has the right to sign a contract with the company without membership ratification. If USAPA thought they could get away with it, they would do the same. And the ignorant east sheep would be none the wiser.

A little union experience would go along way with the east pilots. Unfortunately they engage the A/P and go to sleep.