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Metrojet

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Are you in favor of recalling President Gary Hummel? (please check one)
Total
Percent


Yes, I am in favor of a recall
1414
48.84


No, I am opposed to a recall
1481
51.16


VOTING TOTAL
2895



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Are you in favor of recalling Vice President Steve Bradford? (please check one)
Total
Percent


Yes, I am in favor of a recall
1264
43.65


No, I am opposed to a recall
1632
56.35


VOTING TOTAL
2896



So - it looks like the President and Vice President stay in office

But we don't see the voting totals by base as of yet?
Anybody have those figures

Metrojet
 
Percent chance USAPA will be gone for good? Answer: 100%


Bye Bye---General Lee
 
St. Nic said:
Alpa loving tool!
Usapa may not be going anywhere for a looooong while. Westicle lawsuit holding up everything
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The APA will assume control, the largest group takes over, no vote. And if there was a vote, the Westies would be the first to vote for the APA, to get rid of your sham of a "union..." It will eventually happen, and it will be FANTASTIC when it does. The NIC award will also look great on your group just before you arbitrate AGAIN for your next SLI. No crossing your fingers behind your back this time you Easties! Tisk, Tisk!


Bye Bye---General Lee
 
I don't think any rational pilot is saying USAPA will stay. It did its intended job and now it is time move fwd as APA.
 
LearLove said:
I don't think any rational pilot is saying USAPA will stay. It did its intended job and now it is time move fwd as APA.
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After the NIC is applied, which both sides agreed upon beforehand. And, by adding USAPA, the Easties delayed getting a new contract, affecting everyone's retirement and additional pay. What a complete meltdown over what? A principle? DOH? Congrats dumb-basses! It's intended job hurt each of you financially, and the APA won't accept your crazy notions at all. Good job!!


Bye Bye---General Lee
 
APA hates the Nic. So the Nic will stay on the shelf while our merger comm with two Westicles on it hand over a doh lust with conditions and restrictions.
The APA doesn't want a list that places a 1987 hire next to a 2005 hire!
 
St. Nic said:
APA hates the Nic. So the Nic will stay on the shelf while our merger comm with two Westicles on it hand over a doh lust with conditions and restrictions.
The APA doesn't want a list that places a 1987 hire next to a 2005 hire!
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Judge Silver still has to decide what happens. What the APA certainly doesn't want is your crazy DOH dreams, placing old crusty disgruntled Easties ahead of their pilots.

And, you guys agreed to the process, and it was a binding award. Even the APA understands what that means. Popcorn ready!



Bye Bye---General Lee
 
St. Nic said:
Alpa loving tool!
Usapa may not be going anywhere for a looooong while. Westicle lawsuit holding up everything
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HA!!!!! USAPA is utterly doomed. They have been since day 1. They've accomplished less than nothing and cost 150% MORE than the APA.
 
DCAA320 said:
Yes, but the west does a whole lot of east flying.

You are a dumb ass to think NIC got it right.
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Without Parker bailing out your buttz you would have done zero flying. And, he signed on the bottom line, along with you losers and the Westies to accept the binding award. Instead, you geniuses decided to say no, keep BK pay and lower retirement contributions to prove a point, that the APA will discount also. Great job hosers!


Bye Bye---General Lee
 
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LearLove said:
I don't think any rational pilot is saying USAPA will stay. It did its intended job and now it is time move fwd as APA.
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I think that the "intended job" of a union is to represent all the pilots and return value for dues.

So, how did USAPA do it's "intended job" unless you want to explain the sham that got it served with a DFR case.
 
Bringupthebird said:
I think that the "intended job" of a union is to represent all the pilots and return value for dues.

So, how did USAPA do it's "intended job" unless you want to explain the sham that got it served with a DFR case.
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It doesn't really matter which union it is/was (ALPA, USAPA or whatever). The Nic is/was never implemented because a majority of the union members (read east) never allowed a contract or came to an agreement on a joint contract.

Nothing more than 5th grade recess politics. You guys (west) "won" wrt to the arbitration (read NIC) but the east was able to exploit the fact that it wouldn't be realized until a joint contract was voted in. Doesn't matter if we'd stayed ALPA or USAPA or Moon Dog Express Union. The union represented (and continues to represent) what a majority of its members want/wanted. Or in other words you guys have been "strong armed".

If there hadn't been language wrt to the NIC being implemented only when a JCBA was reached then east wouldn't have a leg to stand on. Unfortunately for the west it did and the east exploited it. The down side for the east is we had to live under LOA93. Everything has a tradeoff.

A union doesn't represent every single member individually it represents what the majority want.


TIT for TAT. Like the rapper guys say. Don't hate the player, hate the game. And the game is still being played.
 
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No, ALPA National had both the authority and the responsibility to implement the Nic by signing the joint contract over the objection of the east. Unfortunately when they needed to summon the nerve to carry it out, they wimped out and tried to curry favor from a position of self-created weakness. Hence the birth of USAPA.

ALPA chose the arbitration process so that they would not be in the awkward position of choosing winners and losers, ironically a position that USAPA made it's foundation.

So it did make a difference. A real union would not extort dues from people it knew it had no intention of representing and would not lie to its supporters in order to cement the power of a very few at the expense of the majority. It would defend it's position using a better rationale than "because we can".

Had USAPA formed prior to the arbitration, what you say would be quite true, but they chose the chickensh/t path of suckling on the ALPA teat and then abandoning both the process and their principles when they didn't get their way. For that reason they will always be looked upon as the chiknsh/ts that they are.

Are you planning on proudly framing your USAPA card?
 
Bringupthebird said:
No, ALPA National had both the authority and the responsibility to implement the Nic by signing the joint contract over the objection of the east.
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A contract by ALPA would have had to been voted on by the members and any contract containing NIC would have been voted down as long as the east was the majority.
 
Bringupthebird said:
No, ALPA National had both the authority and the responsibility to implement the Nic by signing the joint contract over the objection of the east. Unfortunately when they needed to summon the nerve to carry it out, they wimped out and tried to curry favor from a position of self-created weakness. Hence the birth of USAPA.

ALPA chose the arbitration process so that they would not be in the awkward position of choosing winners and losers, ironically a position that USAPA made it's foundation.

So it did make a difference. A real union would not extort dues from people it knew it had no intention of representing and would not lie to its supporters in order to cement the power of a very few at the expense of the majority. It would defend it's position using a better rationale than "because we can".

Had USAPA formed prior to the arbitration, what you say would be quite true, but they chose the chickensh/t path of suckling on the ALPA teat and then abandoning both the process and their principles when they didn't get their way. For that reason they will always be looked upon as the chiknsh/ts that they are.

Are you planning on proudly framing your USAPA card?
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Nic is dead. Get over it
 
St. Nic said:
Nic is dead. Get over it
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Did Judge Silver tell you that? Nah, you made it up, just like your "union..." If the NIC is dead, then so is the binding arbitration process. You can't sign up for something and just get away with not accepting the award. Unlikely.



Bye Bye---General Lee
 
General Lee said:
Did Judge Silver tell you that? Nah, you made it up, just like your "union..." If the NIC is dead, then so is the binding arbitration process. You can't sign up for something and just get away with not accepting the award. Unlikely.



Bye Bye---General Lee
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Usapa was created to right the wrongs of alpa.
The Nic died with alpa
 
St. Nic said:
Usapa was created to right the wrongs of alpa.
The Nic died with alpa
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The biggest lie there ever was.. Everyone knows why ucrapa was created. Come on a$$wipe, fess up!
 
LearLove said:
A contract by ALPA would have had to been voted on by the members and any contract containing NIC would have been voted down as long as the east was the majority.
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Nope, ALPA president has the right to sign a contract with the company without membership ratification. If USAPA thought they could get away with it, they would do the same. And the ignorant east sheep would be none the wiser.

A little union experience would go along way with the east pilots. Unfortunately they engage the A/P and go to sleep.
 

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