Usapa lost!!!!!!!!!

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Seeham loves in house unions... what a cash cow!

 

[UpNDownGuy]

If I were an Eastie I'd start getting used to the Nic. Someone mentioned that Sully testified. Think about that for a minute. He clearly had zero relevence to a DFR case, but the judge allowed him (and others) to testify. I've talked to pilots who sat through the whole trial, and they agreed that the judge gave USAPA enormous latitude to defend themselves, including Sully et all. I think appealing to a higher court isn't going to get the East very far. The chances of this being overturned are slim and none.

 

[iflyhigh]

MCDU:

I understand this is a public board and you are entitled to your views.

First you have no first hand knowledge that the East will not vote for a contract witht the NIC, only speculation. Alot of people out West might not vote for the contract with the work rules suck and pay sucks.

Secondly, please do not claim to work for US Airways, as you were already busted on another thread. I am sure, at least I hope, you have friend on the East that feed you information. Everyone's views are biased to how the current situation affects them. I can honestly say a vast majority of the pilots can not look at the situation from a company's perspective, everything is the company's fault nor from an outside point of view.

I have been on the inside of the operation and now on the outside of the operation. I can honestly say I don't know how things are going to turn out. If I did I would not have to work. Yes, I was on the West side and NONO I don't expect my job back anytime soon with the verdict.

All I expect is for a union to live by their word, tell me the truth, (ALPA Lied to) and not waste unions dues on fighting fellow company pilots. This union was wasted more money on legal fees, (Suing 18 pilots for RICO, this DFR lawsuit and appealling both cases in court). The only people getting anything out of this is the lawyers and management. I would be happy if I were managment.

Time to put the union dues to proper use getting a pilot contract, bringing the pilot group together and moving forward to pilots in a position to fight the company not each another.

I have said enough. Your opinion are for the sole purpose of starting fights like the EAST and are useless.

 

[Fly-n-hi]

If I were an Eastie I'd start getting used to the Nic.

If I were an Eastie I'd quit.

Seriously. Whatever you easties think is gonna happen or whatever was promised to you isn't going to happen. You'd be better off leaving at this point. Besides, you have placed so much hope in these futile attempts to push around the west that, because that didn't happen, you are just gonna be miserable as long as you stay here. That was the whole reason you voted for USAPA...and now USAPA can't deliver on its promises.

Easties, quit and go somewhere else. Its over. Either get on board or get the heck outta here. Everybody is sooo tired of your BS. We're sooo tired of your arguing, your lack of intergrity, your bad attitudes, your devisiveness, and your wasting of our time. Just do us all a favor and leave.

A NMB arbitrator, a Judge/Jury, and just about the rest of the professional aviation community have already seen right through your garbage arguments.

If you wanna stay then shut the heck up and quit making things worse. All your doing is hurting yourselves and taking us down with you. Quit acting like fools.

USAPA = FAIL

 

[johnsonrod]

Great job Westies! You saved their ARSES from near liquidation after 9/11 and then they $crewed you over. It's payback time for their complete stupidity...

 

[DrewBlows]

The Addington case ended today with the jury deciding that USAPA failed in its duty to fairly represent all of its members. Today’s decision, while disappointing, was not unexpected. Since we were required to argue our case with limited time and evidence and were hamstrung by questionable rulings and incorrect instructions, USAPA, quite literally, fought this battle with both hands tied behind its back. Given the circumstances, we have a hard time accepting the idea that we encountered truly unbiased impartiality. Although this is a setback, we are very confident that the errors of law we encountered in this venue will be corrected.

Really? Literally? The judge made USAPA tie their hands behind their backs? I'm not sure how this helps or hurts their cause, but I'm certain it's unprecedented.

 

[hockeypilot44]

Great job Westies! You saved their ARSES from near liquidation after 9/11 and then they $crewed you over. It's payback time for their complete stupidity...

They did not do anything. We are pilots. Even if it is true that America West saved US Airways from liquidation, the America West pilots had nothing to do with it just as the US Airways' pilots had nothing to do with US Airways failing. It is obvious now that the Nicolau award was extremely unfair. It might have been fair at that point in time, but now it has been proven that NIC did not account for the East attrition and recalls. The East had merger protection in their contract saying DOH while the West had no merger protection. I have no idea why the East pilots even agreed to arbitration. The East pilots do not want the West positions. They just want what they brought to the merger.

 

[MK82Man]

From where I sit on furlough from AWA, it is a very small victory. The bench trial for remedy is underway but damage assesment won't occur until August and most West Furloughees think we will be stuck on Furlough for quite some time.

We've argued from the beginning that we just wanted what all of us agreed too. Binding Arbitration. I and 174 other AWA pilots were furloughed out of seniority at great personal and financial cost. The idiot in the room is just that and nobody should give him the time of day. For the Easties reading these posts, now is the time to really think about the way forward. It is soul searching time, if you still have one. Stuck on your LOA for 10 more years or work in good faith and embrace your fellow US Airways West pilots. Maybe you'd just rather take the company under and milk it for whatever it is worth until the day the golden goose dies? From where I sit on the street, that is not advisable, as the economy really sucks out here.

Cheers to AWAPPA, Leonidas, and the West pilots who opened their wallets and hearts to achieve this victory. I wish it was the end of the road; but if the trackrecord of East US Airways pilots is factored in, we are just moving out on the highway to destination unknown. What a tremendous waste of time, money, and resources that would have been better served in a joint fight aganist management.

For all fellow Professional Airline Pilots, thank you for your support and please continue to pay attention to the 1700 AWA pilots who are far from goal line. Always, Always, Always remember, Out West, Integrity matters!

 

[hockeypilot44]

You and the other Easties are IDIOTS. It doesn't matter what the majority think, it is what was AGREED upon initially. TOO BAD SO SAD. USAir was close to liquidation, and AmWest had the CREDIT to get a mortgage and buy and save your arses. Your East pilots may have had more years, but they didn't HAVE TO STAY at USAir. They could have bailed and gone to Jetblue or some other airline. Nobody said you HAD to stay at the sinking ship called USAir. AmWest bought you, and saved you, and you are babies.

Great job WESTIES!


Bye Bye--General Lee

I'm glad things worked out for you at Delta. You did nothing different than the pilots that accepted US Airways as their employer in the 80's. Your SLI favored you at the expense of the NWA pilots. I am not sure you would be "singing the same tune" if you were on the losing side of your SLI.

 

[michael707767]

I'm glad things worked out for you at Delta. You did nothing different than the pilots that accepted US Airways as their employer in the 80's. Your SLI favored you at the expense of the NWA pilots. I am not sure you would be "singing the same tune" if you were on the losing side of your SLI.

IMHO Gen Lee was on the losing side of the SLI. But we agreed to the result and will live by it.

 

[Cowboy75]

For all fellow Professional Airline Pilots, thank you for your support and please continue to pay attention to the 1700 AWA pilots who are far from goal line. Always, Always, Always remember, Out West, Integrity matters!

Like Marty said in closing arguments, "a deal is a deal" and integrity is not a slogan to be mocked by questionable testimony.

 

[General Lee]

They did not do anything. We are pilots. Even if it is true that America West saved US Airways from liquidation, the America West pilots had nothing to do with it just as the US Airways' pilots had nothing to do with US Airways failing. It is obvious now that the Nicolau award was extremely unfair. It might have been fair at that point in time, but now it has been proven that NIC did not account for the East attrition and recalls. The East had merger protection in their contract saying DOH while the West had no merger protection. I have no idea why the East pilots even agreed to arbitration. The East pilots do not want the West positions. They just want what they brought to the merger.

Whatever Sully....listen, your GROUP agreed to something---called binding arbitration. He ruled after testimony. It was not unfair, it was agreed upon beforehand. In other words, YOU LOST AND YOU BABIES SHOULD QUIT IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT. Why again did the East agree to BINDING arbitration when they had a contract saying DOH in a merger? Shouldn't that have been brought up FIRST? Face it, you LOST and will lose the next round if it goes that far. You won't get a new contract until you accept the Nic Award, and that means less pay until then.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[General Lee]

IMHO Gen Lee was on the losing side of the SLI. But we agreed to the result and will live by it.

I think I may have lost a percentage or two total,(relative) but I am not unhappy with the results. I thought they were fair overall.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Hamburger]

Good on you MKMAN. You have stated it the case perfectly while maintaining your dignity in the face of the shameful lack of Integrity on the part of the East.
Best of luck to you and your fellows.

They did not do anything.

This is the most clueless thing I've read in quite some time. Just........wow. Reaching '9/11 truther' levels of ignorance.

 

[MCDU]

I think I may have lost a percentage or two total,(relative) but I am not unhappy with the results. I thought they were fair overall.

Bye Bye--General Lee

Well, the big difference between Delta and NWA merger and the AAA AWA merger was that Delta had recalled all their furloughees prior to the merger.

Had Delta merged while in BK a few years ago and while Delta had over a thousand on the street like AAA AMR UAL etc after 9/11 with AWA for example and the arbitraitor hands you a list 2 years later all the while you have recalled due to your side filling vacancies you created and then places all the now active Delta pilots hired in 2000 below new 2005 hires it would have been a windfall for AWA.

Every big airline had pilots on the street after 9/11. When the list AWA and AAA got awarded in May 2007, the most junior AWA moved up 25% on the combined list. The Arbitraitor Nicolau did not care that AAA was recalling at records pace to fill the age 60 retirements all the while shrinking to little over 210 airplanes. AWA got a Windfall, which ALPA policy says to avoid. Moving up 25% is a windfall on the backs of EAST pilots.

The big differnce between Delta NWA merger and the AWA AAA merger was the fact that no pilots were on furlough and that your relative seniority position did not change much when the list came out. At AWA, the most junior guy suddenly had 800 pilots below him.

M