Usapa lost!!!!!!!!!

[Fly-n-hi]

No one out East will vote for a contract that includes the Nic. No joint contract=no Nic.
Once again the majority is getting screwed by the minority.

3500 against 1600. I wonder who controls the votes?


M

Its not an issue of the majority vs minority. That's such an immature perspective. The court just sided with us that USAPA is not representing us. That means that your majority is a sham.

Its an issue of one workgroup vs another workgroup. The two workgroups have disagreed on issues. Those issues were taken to neutral parties on two occasions now and those neutral parties made their decisions. By agreeing to arbitration you agreed to the outcome of the decision. By going to court you agreed to the judge's decision. Now your going to appeal this ruling, take it to another court, and get defeated again. The more you fight this the more foolish and dishonorable you look.

Not going to vote on a contract, eh? Well, with this new socialist style government sticking its nose into corporate affairs maybe they'll just force you into a contract for the benefit of the "whole." I'd rather choose my own contract instead of risking government involvement...but that's just me.

USAPA is a fools union.

 

[reepicheep]

Keep your heads in the sand, keep looking for a Nic. do-over, keep negotiating in bad faith, keep up with the loony appeal process & wait 'till later this summer when the judge takes up damages. He'll be in a fine mood by then.

 

[Capi_Cafre']

The Addington case ended today with the jury deciding that USAPA failed in its duty to fairly represent all of its members. Today’s decision, while disappointing, was not unexpected.

Seaham probably wrote that (and billed .6 or so) the day he was retained. In a perfect world the eastwipes will end up out of pocket to make the improperly furloughed Cactus folks whole.

 

[General Lee]

No one out East will vote for a contract that includes the Nic. No joint contract=no Nic.
Once again the majority is getting screwed by the minority.

3500 against 1600. I wonder who controls the votes?


M

You and the other Easties are IDIOTS. It doesn't matter what the majority think, it is what was AGREED upon initially. TOO BAD SO SAD. USAir was close to liquidation, and AmWest had the CREDIT to get a mortgage and buy and save your arses. Your East pilots may have had more years, but they didn't HAVE TO STAY at USAir. They could have bailed and gone to Jetblue or some other airline. Nobody said you HAD to stay at the sinking ship called USAir. AmWest bought you, and saved you, and you are babies.

Great job WESTIES!


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[grog_sit_reserv]

...where a much more competent judical system is in place to hear the whole story.

MCDU, the court of appeals only rules on if there were serious errors in matters of law, not the merit of your argument. Of course since Judge Wake was soooo inexperienced in matters legal, I'm sure the Appellate Court will no doubt see the error of his ways....

...This is a long way from being over. Its just the beginning. Sit back and enjoy the ride.

On this I agree with you... kinda made me throw up a little writing that.

 

[AnimalTale]

West rules>>>awa rules>>> cactus rules!!!

Binding arbitration b! T che $!!!!!


Cya

 

[Scope out RJ's]

No one out East will vote for a contract that includes the Nic. No joint contract=no Nic.
Once again the majority is getting screwed by the minority.

3500 against 1600. I wonder who controls the votes?


M

Hey McDoosh:
What ever will your boyfriend do now that he's lost? Looks like you're going to have to pick up more overtime at Gulfstream Int'l. to help pay damages.
Don't worry, I'm sure if you just do more of your "special favors," and skip the "gay outings," you'll be just fine!:laugh:

 

[General Lee]

MCDU, the court of appeals only rules on if there were serious errors in matters of law, not the merit of your argument. Of course since Judge Wake was soooo inexperienced in matters legal, I'm sure the Appellate Court will no doubt see the error of his ways....


On this I agree with you... kinda made me throw up a little writing that.

The AZ judge was an appellate judge prior to this, and knows the system. I bet he covered his bases. Too bad.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[grog_sit_reserv]

Come on General! Why would an Appellate Judge just move down to the circuit court. He obviously must've been demoted and all of his decisions on the Appellate been overturned.

I can't believe the injustice of this ruling. I mean after all USAPA was clearly founded in the interests of serving all US Airways pilots, they clearly state that within the Bradford letter.

I'm certain that the Court of Appeals has been waiting for this and will take it up immediately and find many errors in matters of law.....

Then again, probably not. F-Off USAPA-ites!!! That's twice, in two different types of impartial settings, that your cause has been shown to be B.S.

 

[Andy Neill]

Come on General! Why would an Appellate Judge just move down to the circuit court. He obviously must've been demoted and all of his decisions on the Appellate been overturned.

Perhaps the General was saying the guy was a state appellate court judge before becoming a federal disctrict court judge.

 

[Sandhawk]

Perhaps the General was saying the guy was a state appellate court judge before becoming a federal disctrict court judge.

I think Grog was being sarcastic and talking in an Eastwipe point-of-view.........

 

[Andy Neill]

I think Grog was being sarcastic ........

Thanks for the wakeup on that. After some checking, I found the following on Judge Wake:

A Phoenix native, Mr. Wake, 55, had been in private practice, specializing in commercial, administrative and constitutional litigation, appellate practice and Indian law. He served as a judge pro tempore on the Arizona Court of Appeals in 1985, 1992 and 1996-98, and is co-author of the Arizona Appellate Handbook.

Mr. Wake earned his undergraduate degree from Arizona State University, graduating with distinction in 1971. He received his J.D. from Harvard Law School, graduating cum laude in 1974. While at Harvard, he was a member of the Civil Liberties Law Review.

Mr. Wake is a fellow of the American Academy of Appellate Lawyers and former member of the State Bar of Arizona’s Committee on Civil Practice and Procedure.

 

[Hamburger]

No one out East will vote for a contract that includes the Nic.

They already voted for Binding Arbitration.

It's a shame that Integrity is a concept that has to be Court Ordered on the East.

 

[Raoul Duke]

keep in mind that the court of appeals does not review the "facts" found by the jury, only the law. Evidence rulings by the trial judge are virtually impossible to overturn because the court of appeals will uphold those decisions if there is any factual basis whatsoever to support them. Court of Appeals almost never overturn jury verdicts. USAPA better work up a plan B.

 

[grog_sit_reserv]

I was being sarcastic, but guess it didn't come through.


http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/24/us/24maricopa.html