Usapa has to go.

[ultrarunner]

As an east guy, Usapa has to go, I can't tolerate loa 93 for another xxxx amount of year. Just my opinion. Somebody start a card drive to get alpa back.

Sit down with West and get a single CBA, and you'll have your votes for ALPA AND more money.

Oh, wait, you don't like Nic....

Awww....

oh well...

enjoy

 

[cactusboy53]

As an east guy, Usapa has to go, I can't tolerate loa 93 for another xxxx amount of year. Just my opinion. Somebody start a card drive to get alpa back.

Oly;
I would ask the following questions:

1. How soon do you want a contract?
2. How much longer do you want to work under LOA 93?
3. How willing are you to get involved?

While voting out USAPA because it has been a dismal failure in its present form, the fact remains that WE could change the fabric and leadership of USAPA with enough votes in the next couple months. If we can accomplish that, we can move to change the CBL's and reconstruct the key committees (NAC, Merger, Communication, Grievance, etc) so as to return to the business of a new contract and a potential merger.


All of this can be done in less than 6 months. A card drive will last at least that long. Once a new CBA is voted in, it would take at least a year to reconstruct the hierarchy (ALPA for instance) and get back to the negotiating table. Waiting for ALPA to return and a new contract through ALPA would be a 1.5 to 3 year wait. That is TOO LONG!



While we await a new CBL drive, how about getting on board with changing USAPA into a TRUE INDEPENDENT UNION? Are you a MIG? That is the first step. Go to: www.reformusapa.com and complete the three petitions that help to change the CBA's constitution & bylaws.


Respectfully,
CB

 

[cactusboy53]

Teamsters?

Sure. Hey, do know that the Teamster position on arbitrations is? Teamsters state that all arbitrations are FINAL and BINDING.

 

[sniper]

ALPA wants nothing to do with Airways.

 

[Fubijaakr]

ALPA wants nothing to do with Airways.

Are you kidding? ALPA will take anyone who will pay the dues. They're 100% equal opportunity in that respect.

 

[eaglesview]

ALPA wants nothing to do with Airways.

That's a joke. My union (ALPA) forgave all the CO scabs, who flew EAL routes while I was on strike, and all the EAL scabs that CO was happy to hire just to collect the dues. ALPA has no morals.

 

[Ocity]

ALPA has no morals.

USAPA, at it's very core, is nothing but pure evil. The diabolical scabs that voted for it will forever deserve whatever misery they foisted upon themselves. Forget mercy Uscabians, That ship has forever sailed.

 

[Carl S.]

Time for East pilots to show some leadership. If you want off LOA 93, the ball is in your court! The West is going along for the ride, so I love when they bitch about LOA 93, yet do nothing but chase their tails about it. Could not happen to a better group of people, you reap what you sow.

 

[waveflyer]

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It's always easier to tell someone else what to do when you're not in their shoes. Funny how quick they change their tune when something affects them personally.ALPA will never see light of day here again, Teamsters who knows but ALPO is history here.

Don't pretend you're the only airline who's had to deal w/ a crappy merger/post 9/11 situation-

The argument is you'd be better off-
Yes- clearly- you need someone who isn't "in it" to tell you how wrong this stand is-

 

[ALGFLYR]

Whoever from USAPA or outside counsel is giving that advice needs to be drawn and quartered. No one will take on the liability of not using an SLI from an already previously agreed upon binding process. The potential for litigation is to great to ignore.

.....

Well IF LCC and AMR were to merge, and that's still highly speculative whether that will happen or not... Which seniority lists could be used for the integration? Let's look at that....

At this very moment, is the NIC award an official seniority list? No. That is a fact. The only official seniority lists at US Airways are the separate East and West lists, and the new hires (3rd listers). American's seniority list is uncontested, as is the 3rd list at Airways. So those two lists are good to go...

So the only question is what would be used for the East and West pilots...

Could an unofficial list (the Nic) be used? The only way the Nic list could ever become an official list is if it were ratified into a contract between USAPA and Airways management.... If a merger occurred and a new contract were negotiated between all the pilots and Airways/American management... The conditions that are required to solidify the Nic list could never be realized, thus the Nic could never become an official list... Just sayin...

 

[reepicheep]

And thus you have the next USAPA multi-million dollar wild goose chase. And who knows.....considering the (potential) parties involved...it could happen.

 

[flygirlqt]

Could an unofficial list (the Nic) be used? The only way the Nic list could ever become an official list is if it were ratified into a contract between USAPA and Airways management.... If a merger occurred and a new contract were negotiated between all the pilots and Airways/American management... The conditions that are required to solidify the Nic list could never be realized, thus the Nic could never become an official list... Just sayin...

As an attorney, I disagree with your premise.

 

[Crzipilot]

And how long have you been an attorney???? Or are you just back in school for such.

 

[ALGFLYR]

As an attorney, I disagree with your premise.

Well thank you... That really means a lot to me...

So as an attorney, you would advise a client to use and unofficial seniority list for a merger??

 

[waveflyer]

As an attorney, I disagree with your premise.

As the boyfriend of an attorney, we agree with your disagreement.

ALG- that's seriously bat-sh/t crazy.

How many BMWs have the east bought their attorneys? Hell, how many homes?
Somebody is continually selling a dream the east emotionally wants to believe.
Adds to how dumb this is(!)