Usapa has to go.

[olympus593]

As an east guy, Usapa has to go, I can't tolerate loa 93 for another xxxx amount of year. Just my opinion. Somebody start a card drive to get alpa back.

 

[Bringupthebird]

ALPA would probably frac the vote and leave us union-less. But a new union with reasonable bipartisan leadership would likely deliver on what most pilots are looking for.

 

[AppBrookie]

Agreed, How about a union ran on reality, not emotion, and that goes for both sides of the Mississippi. ALPA won't float, too much bad blood. Courthouse Cleary has ran his course.

 

[Raoul Duke]

how about outsourcing it to Great Lakes union. They seem much more professional and qualified than USAPA.

 

[weasel_lips]

Teamsters?

 

[Lampshade]

There will be a card drive soon after Judge Silver rules this spring I would imagine. Any union will be better than USAPA but ALPA is the best option since a merger may be on the horizon. We will need ALPA's legal support because USAPA is flat broke financially and morally.

 

[reepicheep]

I think the vast majority are quite content to let it ride indefinitely. They have their DOH list, so far anyway. A fence going on 6 years now. Another year and attrition kicks in and all those upgrades go to east pilots. LOA 93 sucks but considering everyone was weeks away from unemployment in '05, not the worst possible outcome. And there is the growing belief that staving off nic. implementation 'till a possible AA merger might mean a do-over; a SLI starting from square one using the three lists.

No rush to dump USAPA. It is doing exactly what they intended it to do.

 

[LearLove]

I think the vast majority are quite content to let it ride indefinitely. They have their DOH list, so far anyway. A fence going on 6 years now. Another year and attrition kicks in and all those upgrades go to east pilots. LOA 93 sucks but considering everyone was weeks away from unemployment in '05, not the worst possible outcome. And there is the growing belief that staving off nic. implementation 'till a possible AA merger might mean a do-over; a SLI starting from square one using the three lists.

No rush to dump USAPA. It is doing exactly what they intended it to do.

winner winner chicken dinner

 

[FDJ2]

The shortest distance between two points is a straight line. USAPA is broke not just financially and morally, but also structurally. You can try to reinvent the wheel again and form another "independent" union, but that takes time and would lack the resources to get things moving again in a positive direction.

The best course of action would be to follow the path that the FDX pilots did when they thought going independent would lead them to the promised land, and that's to realize that the experiment is a failure, and the best way to get back on track in the shortest time is to join ALPA again.

 

[waveflyer]

One of the main problems with the East pilots- convincing themselves of untruths. Isn't rationalization taught as a hazardous attitude. Ie: you know better, but are still falling prey to this emotional psych-trick.

Let's just say, the rest of the industry is NOT OK WITH THE EAST JUST LETTING IT RIDE- You're affecting everyone now that it's gone on this long- undercutting the entire f^cking profession- do you hear that?
Honestly, do you even know the groundswell of resentment building towards you industry-wide- the AA bk has made this stand intolerable.

And it's so stupid- you're giving up way more money than you'll ever get in receiving these short lived upgrades.

I think the vast majority are quite content to let it ride indefinitely. They have their DOH list, so far anyway. A fence going on 6 years now. Another year and attrition kicks in and all those upgrades go to east pilots. LOA 93 sucks but considering everyone was weeks away from unemployment in '05, not the worst possible outcome. And there is the growing belief that staving off nic. implementation 'till a possible AA merger might mean a do-over; a SLI starting from square one using the three lists.

No rush to dump USAPA. It is doing exactly what they intended it to do.

 

[flygirlqt]

might mean a do-over; a SLI starting from square one using the three lists.

No rush to dump USAPA. It is doing exactly what they intended it to do.

Whoever from USAPA or outside counsel is giving that advice needs to be drawn and quartered. No one will take on the liability of not using an SLI from an already previously agreed upon binding process. The potential for litigation is to great to ignore.

Your second sentence only highlights and clarifies the unethical behavior and goals of USAPA.

 

[surfnfly]

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Let's just say, the rest of the industry is NOT OK WITH THE EAST JUST LETTING IT RIDE- You're affecting everyone now that it's gone on this long- undercutting the entire f^cking profession- do you hear that?
Honestly, do you even know the groundswell of resentment building towards you industry-wide- the AA bk has made this stand intolerable.

It's always easier to tell someone else what to do when you're not in their shoes. Funny how quick they change their tune when something affects them personally.ALPA will never see light of day here again, Teamsters who knows but ALPO is history here.

 

[OPECJet]

Ask a Netjets pilot how the Teamsters worked out there....

 

[IBNAV8R]

Binding will still equal binding.

 

[Flybywire44]

Hopefully, APA will replace both USAPA and Leonids roles in a couple years.

 

[ultrarunner]

As an east guy, Usapa has to go, I can't tolerate loa 93 for another xxxx amount of year. Just my opinion. Somebody start a card drive to get alpa back.

Sit down with West and get a single CBA, and you'll have your votes for ALPA AND more money.

Oh, wait, you don't like Nic....

Awww....

oh well...

enjoy

 

[cactusboy53]

As an east guy, Usapa has to go, I can't tolerate loa 93 for another xxxx amount of year. Just my opinion. Somebody start a card drive to get alpa back.

Oly;
I would ask the following questions:

1. How soon do you want a contract?
2. How much longer do you want to work under LOA 93?
3. How willing are you to get involved?

While voting out USAPA because it has been a dismal failure in its present form, the fact remains that WE could change the fabric and leadership of USAPA with enough votes in the next couple months. If we can accomplish that, we can move to change the CBL's and reconstruct the key committees (NAC, Merger, Communication, Grievance, etc) so as to return to the business of a new contract and a potential merger.


All of this can be done in less than 6 months. A card drive will last at least that long. Once a new CBA is voted in, it would take at least a year to reconstruct the hierarchy (ALPA for instance) and get back to the negotiating table. Waiting for ALPA to return and a new contract through ALPA would be a 1.5 to 3 year wait. That is TOO LONG!



While we await a new CBL drive, how about getting on board with changing USAPA into a TRUE INDEPENDENT UNION? Are you a MIG? That is the first step. Go to: www.reformusapa.com and complete the three petitions that help to change the CBA's constitution & bylaws.


Respectfully,
CB

 

[cactusboy53]

Teamsters?

Sure. Hey, do know that the Teamster position on arbitrations is? Teamsters state that all arbitrations are FINAL and BINDING.

 

[sniper]

ALPA wants nothing to do with Airways.

 

[Fubijaakr]

ALPA wants nothing to do with Airways.

Are you kidding? ALPA will take anyone who will pay the dues. They're 100% equal opportunity in that respect.