USAir/TA10 Award

[JAB31]

Any news on this? I heard the award was supposed to be early this week.

 

[Lampshade]

I'm not hearing good things.

 

[Trogdor]

Care to share?

 

[JerryLundegaard]

What is a TA10?

 

[xanderman]

In a nutshell:

No jobs/recalls because the company showed they could cover the schedule even if there had been no violation and still furloughed.

The only identified harmed group were the Lineholder pushed back to rsv. See point above. The company effectively admitted that they overstaffed the rsv compliment.

Money damages is said to be somewhere in the 300-400 grand range but USAPA is asking for much more than that. As of now the money will go to the only identified harmed group...

New and amazing ways to screw you! That's what LCC does.

 

[jonjuan]

What is a TA10?

What's a USAir?

 

[ableone]

What's a USAir?

A frankenairline formed by joining the parts of many dead and barely alive carriers to form a lurching monster.

 

[slaquer5]

A frankenairline formed by joining the parts of many dead and barely alive carriers to form a lurching monster.

Now I don't care who you are that is very funny.

 

[General Lee]

A frankenairline formed by joining the parts of many dead and barely alive carriers to form a lurching monster.

THAT was simply FANTASTIC. Bravo!


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[GuppyWN]

Yep. Juan walked right into that one.

Gup

 

[Fly-n-hi]

A frankenairline formed by joining the parts of many dead and barely alive carriers to form a lurching monster.

Yeah, except America West was making money, buying new planes, and hiring. Otherwise your analogy makes sense.

 

[grog_sit_reserv]

I lol'd.

 

[denny]

Yeah, except America West was making money, buying new planes, and hiring. Otherwise your analogy makes sense.

As a 21 year AWA pilot I hate USAirways as much as if not more than most. But to be fair your statement above is not true. AWA was not making money, was not buying new planes other than those they were going to default on and was not hiring. Just trying to keep things honest. The AWA guys have gone off the reservation as much as the east guys by claiming their company was a going concern pre merger. Neither was. But neither side will admit they were working for a failed enterprise and the merger was the only thing that saved both. Those are just cold hard facts.

 

[Ky.BrownBourbn]

As a 21 year AWA pilot I hate USAirways as much as if not more than most. But to be fair your statement above is not true. AWA was not making money, was not buying new planes other than those they were going to default on and was not hiring. Just trying to keep things honest. The AWA guys have gone off the reservation as much as the east guys by claiming their company was a going concern pre merger. Neither was. But neither side will admit they were working for a failed enterprise and the merger was the only thing that saved both. Those are just cold hard facts.

I don't work for East Or West But THANK GOD, someone can admit it!

I don't think either side was doggie paddling very well, The only one's that won (once again) was management! (As usual!) Have Dougie have another one(on his Employees!) BUNCH OF CROOKED B#$@%(*&!!!
KBB

 

[TWA Dude]

But neither side will admit they were working for a failed enterprise and the merger was the only thing that saved both.

Why you refer to AWA pre-merger as a "failed enterprise" is beyond me. It was solvent and expected to remain solvent while USAir was in bankruptcy with no DIP financing and no plan of reorganization and not expected to last more than a few days or weeks. How can you equate the two?

I am very much a realist and have no problem accepting that AWA could've had solvency issues further down the road but that's not relevant. What was very relevant to Nicolau was that AWA was hiring and USAir was furloughing and that affected both sides' career expectations on the snapshot date.

 

[reepicheep]

The salient point for pilots east and west is, like the no furlough clause, it would seem that no "job protection" contract language is worth the paper it's written on. Minimum block hours were established and agreed upon, the company purposely failed to comply while at the same time furloughing pilots, and apparently they have gotten off with what barely even qualifies as a slap on the wrist.

 

[m80drvr]

As a 21 year AWA pilot I hate USAirways as much as if not more than most. But to be fair your statement above is not true. AWA was not making money, was not buying new planes other than those they were going to default on and was not hiring. Just trying to keep things honest. The AWA guys have gone off the reservation as much as the east guys by claiming their company was a going concern pre merger. Neither was. But neither side will admit they were working for a failed enterprise and the merger was the only thing that saved both. Those are just cold hard facts.

WOW you are either completely uninformed or a flame baiter. AWA was hiring about 200 the year that they bought USAir. They were getting airplanes....the 200 newhires were going to crew those planes.

How do I know this?....I was in indoc when the buyout was announced. We were told that all planned hiring was therefore suspended. Just 5 days before the CP and DP was telling us about growth and hiring, then all of a sudden nothing.

Was AWA an industry powerhouse?....No of course, BUT they were hiring, accepting planes, growing and making money. I would not have left a good job to go to AWA if they were losing money and shrinking.

I think you need to relearn you history.

 

[JetMonkey]

Spot on MD. I was at the 9 month mark when the $hit hit the news and was counting on one more class to go through to get me off of reserve.

This guys a total flammer. The youngest guy on the west is in his thirties.

 

[eaglesview]

As a 21 year AWA pilot I hate USAirways as much as if not more than most. But to be fair your statement above is not true. AWA was not making money, was not buying new planes other than those they were going to default on and was not hiring. Just trying to keep things honest. The AWA guys have gone off the reservation as much as the east guys by claiming their company was a going concern pre merger. Neither was. But neither side will admit they were working for a failed enterprise and the merger was the only thing that saved both. Those are just cold hard facts.

Denny,

Wow what a refreshing post. Please be careful though TWA will brand you a USAPA apologist and then keep going and going and going like the Rabbit with the batteries.

The whole situation is sad.

 

[CFIT]

I can see United and Continental pilots going down the same road......

 

[m80drvr]

Denny,

Wow what a refreshing post. Please be careful though TWA will brand you a USAPA apologist and then keep going and going and going like the Rabbit with the batteries.

The whole situation is sad.

Refreshing to you, but completely factually incorrect.

 

[PuffDriver]

Refreshing to you, but completely factually incorrect.

You're right. He left out the government owning a 1/3 of AWA.

 

[MCDU]

Most of the whining Westies on here are 2005 probation pilots that got hired and then got placed ahead of roughly 800 East pilots. The lottery ticket they thought they had is getting really tough to cash and they are frustrated that they are still stuck out West and now furloughed. AWA is doing roughly 25% flying of former East routes. (PHL-SEA), all the while there flying has gone away. PHX-BDL, RDU are just a few of many many routes they have given up. LAS closed. With out the EAST flying AWA would be toast. The flying and jobs AWA brought to the merger are gone.


Other airlines back in 2005 that was hiring and had many airplanes on order were Skybus,United, ATA and AWA. Airlines like Delta, CAL, NWA and USAIR were downsizing and all had pilots on furlough. So, I guess if you are hiring and have airplanes on order and have a one time profit, that must mean you really are safe.

M

 

[Saabslime]

MCDU.............lick my ass

 

[dugan jones]

MCDU.............lick my ass

you wanting your salad tossed by a dude???

 

[BeCareful!]

Funny that the guys discounting the truth Denny writes were in Indoc and on probation when the investor funded merger was announced.

Just like a pompous, junior little westie to spout off like that to a fellow aviator with 21 years at his outfit.

 

[FLYLOW22]

you wanting your salad tossed by a dude???

With jelly or jam?

 

[denny]

AWA was accepting new aircraft financed by Airbus at almost 100%. They were replacing older aircraft but some were growth not because AWA wanted or needed to grow but because the financing was so cheap for everyone involved that it was better to give them away rather than not make them.

The hiring was primarily for attrition and retirements and a small percentage was for "growth." To say that AWA was making money to cover it's expenses and debt obligations is blatantly false. Doug Parker has stood before the pilots many, many times and said AWA could not keep operating based on income levels. He also stated time and again that without the merger AWA would have had to file bankruptcy. As a CEO you don't just stand up and say things like that without truth behind the words.

As to the seniority issues and arguments from those such as MCDU all I can say is it must be really dark and scary with your head so far ensconced up your posterior.

 

[Ocity]

Most of the whining Westies on here are 2005 probation pilots that got hired and then got placed ahead of roughly 800 East pilots. The lottery ticket they thought they had is getting really tough to cash and they are frustrated that they are still stuck out West and now furloughed. AWA is doing roughly 25% flying of former East routes. (PHL-SEA), all the while there flying has gone away. PHX-BDL, RDU are just a few of many many routes they have given up. LAS closed. With out the EAST flying AWA would be toast. The flying and jobs AWA brought to the merger are gone.


Other airlines back in 2005 that was hiring and had many airplanes on order were Skybus,United, ATA and AWA. Airlines like Delta, CAL, NWA and USAIR were downsizing and all had pilots on furlough. So, I guess if you are hiring and have airplanes on order and have a one time profit, that must mean you really are safe.

M

Nic. isn't going anywhere. Regardless of your wishful revisionist history.

 

[Deadalus]

As a 21 year AWA pilot I hate USAirways as much as if not more than most. But to be fair your statement above is not true. AWA was not making money, was not buying new planes other than those they were going to default on and was not hiring. Just trying to keep things honest. The AWA guys have gone off the reservation as much as the east guys by claiming their company was a going concern pre merger. Neither was. But neither side will admit they were working for a failed enterprise and the merger was the only thing that saved both. Those are just cold hard facts.

As an ex AWA pilot I say you're a liar and an eastie in disguise. I was there at the time of the merger. Prior quarters profitable, pilots flying to France to pick up new Airbus' and hiring 20 a month. Nice try though reknob.