USAir/TA10 Award

[m80drvr]

You're right. He left out the government owning a 1/3 of AWA.

I believe those loans were paid back by then

 

[m80drvr]

Funny that the guys discounting the truth Denny writes were in Indoc and on probation when the investor funded merger was announced.

Just like a pompous, junior little westie to spout off like that to a fellow aviator with 21 years at his outfit.

Funny 21 years at usair got him bottom reserve at the most junior base....Exactly the same position as the infamous Dave O

PS. f you. You have no idea what my background is. I'll "spout off" when incorrect self serving information is bein spread. Again f off!

 

[TWA Dude]

He also stated time and again that without the merger AWA would have had to file bankruptcy.

He didn't start saying that until months after the merger closed. Different audience then.

As a CEO you don't just stand up and say things like that without truth behind the words.

Learn the difference between fact and spin. There are several online dictionaries to choose from.

 

[Fly-n-hi]

AWA was accepting new aircraft financed by Airbus at almost 100%. They were replacing older aircraft but some were growth not because AWA wanted or needed to grow but because the financing was so cheap for everyone involved that it was better to give them away rather than not make them.

It doesn't matter where the financing for new planes comes from. I got financing for my house and guess what? It's my house. Just because I had to get a loan doesn't mean I'm in bad shape financially.

Who's gonna sink money into a failing business? The planes were cheap because Airbus was struggling...not us.

The hiring was primarily for attrition and retirements and a small percentage was for "growth." To say that AWA was making money to cover it's expenses and debt obligations is blatantly false. Doug Parker has stood before the pilots many, many times and said AWA could not keep operating based on income levels. He also stated time and again that without the merger AWA would have had to file bankruptcy.

Nope. The AWA retirements wouldn't have been increasing until 2012-2020. The hiring was because of growth.

As a CEO you don't just stand up and say things like that without truth behind the words.

Yeah...I'm sure CEOs never lie, mislead, or exaggerate.

Look, nobody is saying that AWA was the most successful airline. We weren't. But these arguments that say that we were losing money, failing and that we needed US Airways to survive are just plain false. I don't care if you've been there 21 years or 21 days. The truth is the truth.

If you have the finacial evidence that backs up your claims then feel free to share. Otherwise I'm calling BS.

 

[miaboeingcapt]

How about staying on topic? It does not matter what the status of either airline was back then anymore!

 

[johnnyb]

He didn't start saying that until months after the merger closed. Different audience then.Learn the difference between fact and spin. There are several online dictionaries to choose from.

I am amazed that average AWA line pilots continue to insist they know more about the merger than the CEO or the BOD .

Hope they made sure to consult with you prior to pulling the plug on United.

 

[grog_sit_reserv]

You're right, we let the Federal Arbitrator, a Federal Judge and the 9th Circuit look at it for us. I think they agree with TWA Dude as well; well 2 out of 3 so far....

 

[TWA Dude]

I am amazed that average AWA line pilots continue to insist they know more about the merger than the CEO or the BOD

What did I write that was untrue?

 

[grog_sit_reserv]

TWA Dude, it's not that what you wrote is untrue, its just that it didn't match his view of what is true. You see, facts are always open to interpretation.

 

[denny]

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[BeCareful!]

hahahahaha....you guys are such morons.

I'll post later when I f'ing feel like wasting time on this cesspool. Drvr, you just spout away here on FlightMisInfo all you want. Take GREAT pride in it, young man. Cut/paste and save it for your grandchildren. They'll be so proud of how you sat there, armed only with your keyboard, and fought mightly for that A330 seat that was so obvoiusly not part of your pre-merger expectations.

 

[get2flyin]

hahahahaha....you guys are such morons.

I'll post later when I f'ing feel like wasting time on this cesspool. Drvr, you just spout away here on FlightMisInfo all you want. Take GREAT pride in it, young man. Cut/paste and save it for your grandchildren. They'll be so proud of how you sat there, armed only with your keyboard, and fought mightly for that A330 seat that was so obvoiusly not part of your pre-merger expectations.

I don't think anyone really cares if you think it's worth wasting your time or not. If you have something to post, do so. If you don't, then go look at porn or whatever else you do when you're not spreading drivel.

Drvr, the only reason to save these posts for your grand kids is so they can see how BeCareful refuses to use spell check.

Truthfully, why are we arguing this same crap over and over again? Nobody is going to change anyone's mind and the TA-10 this is West specific, so why do you East guys even care?

 

[PuffDriver]

I believe those loans were paid back by then

Nope. Paid back post merger. It doesn't really matter anyway. The point was that although USAirways was in BK, they were perfectly viable. Although AWA was "perfectly viable", they weren't stellar.

The arbitrator blew it. No doubt, else the company would be completely merged. The old saying is that fairness is when both sides are pissed off. Well, one side was so pissed, they actually garnered the votes to vote out ALPA. Not an easy thing to do.

Both pilot groups can share blame, no doubt, but the majority rests with the arbitrator in an unfair award.

 

[NEDude]

Most of the whining Westies on here are 2005 probation pilots that got hired and then got placed ahead of roughly 800 East pilots. The lottery ticket they thought they had is getting really tough to cash and they are frustrated that they are still stuck out West and now furloughed. AWA is doing roughly 25% flying of former East routes. (PHL-SEA), all the while there flying has gone away. PHX-BDL, RDU are just a few of many many routes they have given up. LAS closed. With out the EAST flying AWA would be toast. The flying and jobs AWA brought to the merger are gone.


Other airlines back in 2005 that was hiring and had many airplanes on order were Skybus,United, ATA and AWA. Airlines like Delta, CAL, NWA and USAIR were downsizing and all had pilots on furlough. So, I guess if you are hiring and have airplanes on order and have a one time profit, that must mean you really are safe.

M

CAL opened their application window in April 2005 and was inviting people to interviews in August 2005.

 

[BoilerUP]

UPS was also hiring in late 2004 and all throughout 2005...over 300 newhires in 2005 alone, IIRC.