USAIR Capt denies JS to SWA commuter!

[johnnyV]

Get off your high horse!

The Captain's JS my wazoo! It is an open seat on whatever company's a/c & should be treated as such. All this power hungry BS. Bet these guys have the last two words in every fight at home...yes dear. Get a life.

JV

 

[capt. megadeth]

The Captain's JS my wazoo! It is an open seat on whatever company's a/c & should be treated as such. All this power hungry BS. Bet these guys have the last two words in every fight at home...yes dear. Get a life.

JV

Yep, and like I said.....if the gate agent denied the dude without consulting the captain, or, better yet, the guy was a scab or GoJet pilot, you all would be crying "It's the captain's jumpseat! They can take or deny whoever they want! Our captain's authority is being flushed down the toilet!" Don't deny it because you know it's true! You can't have it both ways.

 

[jhill]

Be a professional and take the next flight. Then talk to your JS coordinator.

Threatening to give his name out to whomever emails you is tasteless and cowardly.

Is the new procedure going to be “If you don’t let me ride jumpseat, I am going to post your name on flightinfo.com”?

It is a privilege not a right.

Its a damm good idea. Post it anywhere else you can think of as well.

 

[DCitrus9]

Whether it is a seat in back or the actual js, you are still riding on jumpseat priveledges. That means you stop and say hi to the crew, ask if they have room for a freeloader, and take whatever seat is offered. It is captains's authority to take you. If you are polite and professional and still get denied, then the guy is simply a d1ck, but it's his call.
If you buy a ticket or nonrev/id90 pass then you don't need to say hi to anybody but the gate agent.

 

[ultrarunner]

Pretty soon, management is going to take back the jump seat and tell everyone to screw themselves. You think commuting to work is bad now....just wait!

In the end, management owns the seats...and don't be surprised to find them exercising their authority one day. Ask any Delta pilot...they remember when they couldn't even offer a ride.

It's coming if this keeps up, you watch.

 

[PCL_128]

Some of you guys really need to relax. So some a$$hole denied you a ride. Big frickin' deal. Go to the next flight and forget about it. If I came on this board and posted a complaint every time that a NWA Captain treated me like s*#t when I was a commuter, then I'd have more posts than The General by now. Some guys are just jerks. Live with it and just remember not to be the same way when you're the one making the decision about who rides your jumpseat.

 

[Tejas-Jet]

Let your JS coordinator know the flight number/date...let them handle it. FI.com can't do a doggone thing for ya.

 

[stonewall]

Some of you guys really need to relax. So some a$$hole denied you a ride. Big frickin' deal. Go to the next flight and forget about it. If I came on this board and posted a complaint every time that a NWA Captain treated me like s*#t when I was a commuter, then I'd have more posts than The General by now. Some guys are just jerks. Live with it and just remember not to be the same way when you're the one making the decision about who rides your jumpseat.

Not everyone has the ability to just "go to the next flight." You should always have backups, but alot of cities that people commute out of might have only two flights/day (or even one). And, based on my last few rides on some legacy carriers I won't mention, there is a better than average chance your backup will be hours-delayed or CNX. Every open seat is valuable to a commuter.

How would you feel if you took an earlier flight, got denied by a CA being a tool, and then your backup fell through and you missed a trip or a kid's game? You'd want to choke out said Captain, no?

 

[GuppyWN]

Assuming my brother is a commuter it sounds like he did an end around. I can't say the thought of slinking to the back wouldn't cross my mind but you MUST check in with the Captain. It's in the unwritten code of ethics.

Gup

 

[PCL_128]

Not everyone has the ability to just "go to the next flight." You should always have backups, but alot of cities that people commute out of might have only two flights/day (or even one). And, based on my last few rides on some legacy carriers I won't mention, there is a better than average chance your backup will be hours-delayed or CNX. Every open seat is valuable to a commuter.

How would you feel if you took an earlier flight, got denied by a CA being a tool, and then your backup fell through and you missed a trip or a kid's game? You'd want to choke out said Captain, no?

I commuted for over 5 years, so I know very well how much it can suck. That being said, jumpseating is still a privilege, and the Captain owns his jumpseat. If he turns you down for whatever reason, then that's his right. Going on flightinfo and sending the guy's name to a bunch of people via PM is even more unprofessional than the Captain who was a jerk. The only professional way to handle it is through the jumpseat committee. Let the guy's jumpseat coordinator have a talk with him. If that doesn't work, then oh well, it's still his jumpseat.

 

[capt. megadeth]

How would you feel if you took an earlier flight, got denied by a CA being a tool, and then your backup fell through and you missed a trip or a kid's game? You'd want to choke out said Captain, no?

Sure, you'd wanna kick his a$$ but it's still the captain's decision.

 

[vetrider]

I think Megadeath has it figured out best of all of us.

 

[Afterprop]

The JS is the Captain's seat, but professional courtesy should be the rule; not the exception. Regardless of who I JS on, when I show up at the cockpit, I introduce myself, and present my license, medical, company ID, and any paperwork the gate agent gave me (without having to dig for it).

If said JS is denied, I want to ensure its not due to a fubar on my part.

'Nuff said.

 

[ATR-DRIVR]

The JS is the Captain's seat, but professional courtesy should be the rule; not the exception. Regardless of who I JS on, when I show up at the cockpit, I introduce myself, and present my license, medical, company ID, and any paperwork the gate agent gave me (without having to dig for it).

Very simple and works fine. I always ASK the lead F/A if I may ride with them, and ask permission to check with the Captain. Peek in and make sure they are not in the middle of the checklist or on the radio and quietly knock and introduce myself to BOTH of them, say who I fly for and ASK if it would be alright to J/S to XYZ destination with them. 99% of the time they are very gracious and say sure or you bet or something along those lines. As above noted by afterprop, I always offer ALL of the required paperwork and let the Captain check all he would like to. Most of the time they just check the ID, some just the medical and some all of it. Works fine, last long time. If I have been assigned a seat in the back by the agent, I tell the captain which one and ask if that works for him. Then thank them BOTH again and head back to the seat. If there is time and no rush, chat about their trip, wx, industry info, answer questions about my trip, wx, industry info, usual rumor mill. Just being sociable.
At the other end, wait my turn to exit and then again say thanks to the F/A's and the the crew if they are out or the door is open.
Where I commute out of, ATL, Delta and AirTran have been nothing but completely above board and accomodating. I have had to ride many times in the J/S due to full airplanes. Always, always a pleasant trip. Many thanks to the crews.
Like has been posted, a privilege. If someone says no, better have a back up.

 

[sayagain?]

Most of the a$$hole pilots who deny the JS probably don't commute. It would be nice to get their names out there in case they actually do. Eye for an eye. But it'll never happen.

Having said that, best to take the high road. In the end, most idiots in life get what they deserve.

 

[pianoman]

That's the whole reason for going through the J/S committee. Since the company is not involved, it's us policing ourselves, which is much better than inviting the company in there.

 

[Frap]

So, airlinepilot--did you or did you not do the Captain end-around?

 

[stonewall]

What are people's opinions on what is and isn't a valid reason for a Captain to deny a jumpseat? I'm not talking about this particular case, just in general. Does anyone have any thoughts about what constitutes a good reason to deny?

 

[airdog757]

So Be It!

It's the Capts. choice period.
I've been commuting since 86 and I still remember the OL' Eastern Capt. that refused me a jumpseat since I was not an ALPA member at the time.
I was pissed at him at the time but the jumpseat is probably the LAST remaining place that we as pilots have to "make a statement". If that's his statement then so be it ...it's HIS seat period.
If we pilots had more/any balls we would use this leverage in supporting ONE union. (now it probably won't be ALPA anymore since >as former TWA< they have proven themselves to be just a shortsighted political bureaucracy on borrowed time)

end of rant....................

 

[sqwkvfr]

Yep, and like I said.....if the gate agent denied the dude without consulting the captain, or, better yet, the guy was a scab or GoJet pilot, you all would be crying "It's the captain's jumpseat! They can take or deny whoever they want! Our captain's authority is being flushed down the toilet!" Don't deny it because you know it's true! You can't have it both ways.

You forgot the exclamation point on your last sentence.

It's enough to make Dave Mustaine cry.....again.

-Metallisqwkvfr