USAIR Capt denies JS to SWA commuter!

[capt. megadeth]

How would you feel if you took an earlier flight, got denied by a CA being a tool, and then your backup fell through and you missed a trip or a kid's game? You'd want to choke out said Captain, no?

Sure, you'd wanna kick his a$$ but it's still the captain's decision.

 

[vetrider]

I think Megadeath has it figured out best of all of us.

 

[Afterprop]

The JS is the Captain's seat, but professional courtesy should be the rule; not the exception. Regardless of who I JS on, when I show up at the cockpit, I introduce myself, and present my license, medical, company ID, and any paperwork the gate agent gave me (without having to dig for it).

If said JS is denied, I want to ensure its not due to a fubar on my part.

'Nuff said.

 

[ATR-DRIVR]

The JS is the Captain's seat, but professional courtesy should be the rule; not the exception. Regardless of who I JS on, when I show up at the cockpit, I introduce myself, and present my license, medical, company ID, and any paperwork the gate agent gave me (without having to dig for it).

Very simple and works fine. I always ASK the lead F/A if I may ride with them, and ask permission to check with the Captain. Peek in and make sure they are not in the middle of the checklist or on the radio and quietly knock and introduce myself to BOTH of them, say who I fly for and ASK if it would be alright to J/S to XYZ destination with them. 99% of the time they are very gracious and say sure or you bet or something along those lines. As above noted by afterprop, I always offer ALL of the required paperwork and let the Captain check all he would like to. Most of the time they just check the ID, some just the medical and some all of it. Works fine, last long time. If I have been assigned a seat in the back by the agent, I tell the captain which one and ask if that works for him. Then thank them BOTH again and head back to the seat. If there is time and no rush, chat about their trip, wx, industry info, answer questions about my trip, wx, industry info, usual rumor mill. Just being sociable.
At the other end, wait my turn to exit and then again say thanks to the F/A's and the the crew if they are out or the door is open.
Where I commute out of, ATL, Delta and AirTran have been nothing but completely above board and accomodating. I have had to ride many times in the J/S due to full airplanes. Always, always a pleasant trip. Many thanks to the crews.
Like has been posted, a privilege. If someone says no, better have a back up.

 

[sayagain?]

Most of the a$$hole pilots who deny the JS probably don't commute. It would be nice to get their names out there in case they actually do. Eye for an eye. But it'll never happen.

Having said that, best to take the high road. In the end, most idiots in life get what they deserve.

 

[pianoman]

That's the whole reason for going through the J/S committee. Since the company is not involved, it's us policing ourselves, which is much better than inviting the company in there.

 

[Frap]

So, airlinepilot--did you or did you not do the Captain end-around?

 

[stonewall]

What are people's opinions on what is and isn't a valid reason for a Captain to deny a jumpseat? I'm not talking about this particular case, just in general. Does anyone have any thoughts about what constitutes a good reason to deny?

 

[airdog757]

So Be It!

It's the Capts. choice period.
I've been commuting since 86 and I still remember the OL' Eastern Capt. that refused me a jumpseat since I was not an ALPA member at the time.
I was pissed at him at the time but the jumpseat is probably the LAST remaining place that we as pilots have to "make a statement". If that's his statement then so be it ...it's HIS seat period.
If we pilots had more/any balls we would use this leverage in supporting ONE union. (now it probably won't be ALPA anymore since >as former TWA< they have proven themselves to be just a shortsighted political bureaucracy on borrowed time)

end of rant....................

 

[sqwkvfr]

Yep, and like I said.....if the gate agent denied the dude without consulting the captain, or, better yet, the guy was a scab or GoJet pilot, you all would be crying "It's the captain's jumpseat! They can take or deny whoever they want! Our captain's authority is being flushed down the toilet!" Don't deny it because you know it's true! You can't have it both ways.

You forgot the exclamation point on your last sentence.

It's enough to make Dave Mustaine cry.....again.

-Metallisqwkvfr

 

[get2flyin]

Post the name. If the guy has the balls to stand up to a jumpseater and tell him he can't ride, let him stand up to his fellow crew members who call him on it. What can the jumpseat committee do to a Captain who is a prick and refuses to allow anyone to enjoy a benefit we all sacrificed something for? Nothing. Only the pressure of his/her peers is likely change that moronic attitude.

It's the that company agrees to let other pilots ride as guest in the back of the airplane. Without a doubt it's good form to check in the with Captain, introduce yourself, and ASK to ride along. Why should the pilots care who is in back as long as they meet the standards set by the company (within reason or course, ala the infamous Minneapolis zealots)? However, as much as it pisses me off when the seat in question is in the cockpit, it's the captains discretion. PERIOD. If it's a seat in the back that's open, different story.

 

[Guitar rocker]

You forgot the exclamation point on your last sentence.

It's enough to make Dave Mustaine cry.....again.

-Metallisqwkvfr

Good ole David Mustaine.......14 X in rehab and 15th was a charm for him. Last I saw on TV was that he is clean........for now anyway. Rock on David!

 

[Frap]

If it's a seat in the back that's open, different story.

How is it a different story? It's the Boss's seat regardless of where it is in the airplane.

 

[get2flyin]

How is it a different story? It's the Boss's seat regardless of where it is in the airplane.

Wow. If that's the case, better hope the Boss isn't homophobic, racist, a women hater, etc. Otherwise, being able to throw anyone off for any reason without any accountability could put the company in a real tough spot.

 

[capt. megadeth]

Wow. If that's the case, better hope the Boss isn't homophobic, racist, a women hater, etc. Otherwise, being able to throw anyone off for any reason without any accountability could put the company in a real tough spot.

Even if you are riding in the back, you are riding via jumpseat priviledges so in that case, if the capt. doesn't want you on, it's his/her call. If you are a non rev, it's a different story.