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pilotyip

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New Hires at USA Jet Airlines will now be paid full DA-20 F/O first year base guarantee from the first day of ground school. That will be $2,851.20 per month. The training pay of $300/wk has been dropped. This is the highest starting pay of any 121/135-air carrier operating A/C under 90,000 MGTOW.
 
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This is truly a sign of the times and the fact that management at USA Jet is up to date on the current market, unlike many other carriers, that will suffer from lack of staffing because of there lack of ability or unwillingness to adapt to the current market. Any qualified pilot that accepts a low paying job in this market is only cheating him/her self out of a better pay and thus a better QOL. The state of the aviation industry over the past 5 years has and will continue to create better pay and QOL for pilots at a whole. This is truly a exciting time to be in aviation. Let the good times roll!
 
I thought about applying but I've heard you don't get very many sim sessions before the big dance. Kind of spooks me a little not having much turbine experience. That's awesome pay though!
 
plunger said:
I thought about applying but I've heard you don't get very many sim sessions before the big dance. Kind of spooks me a little not having much turbine experience. That's awesome pay though!
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go for it, you can do it!
 
USA Jet reimburses up to 3000 in moving expenses as well.
 
What's the upgrade time over there like? I'm flying a Jetstrem in Nigeria right now, and I want out.
 
Upgrade

Upgrade is 1-3 years depending upon turnover, which is increasing. Movement to the DC-9 is under 1 yr right now DC-9 Captain in about 7 yrs. Have not hired a Captain off the street since 1998. BTW loco but you were a 5th yr Capt, only kidding
 
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NJ not player for USA Jet new hires

you can not get hired at NJ with 1000TT and 500ME, but you can get hired at USA Jet and after working at USA Jet for 2-3 years you have an excellent chance of getting on at NJ. Lets see they have hired about 12 over the last 6 years.
 
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Hi!

A lot of USA Jet guys have gone/are going to NetJets. Like PilotYIP said, I didn't have the mins for NetJets when I applied at USA Jet. If I had the mins, I would've applied and gone to NetJets over USA Jet back then.

When I started, the trainees got regular pay, but a 2 year contract. Then, they dropped the contract, but instituted training pay. USA Jet has steadily been lowering the mins, and now the pay is back to regular, just like it used to be.

Currently, new guys get 5 sim sessions and then the check, but that will change as needed. USA Jet, like TSA, will work with you to get your training completed, as long as you are TRYING! Like in most things in life, attitude and effort counts. Training failures are avoided whenever possible, because they are too expensive.

AF UPT is like that now too. At times in the past, the AF used to wash guys out left and right. Now, by the time a UPT student has hit the T-37 or Texan II, the AF has ALREADY spent a ton of money on the student, and they will do everything they can to get the student up to speed.

The hiring tsunami is finally hitting upper management. UAL, NWA, USAir, AA, your managment teams are next!

HOLD OUT FOR HIGHER PAY AND BETTER BENEFITS!!!

cliff
GRB

PS-One of our Falcon capts made $15K+ in Feb. One of our Falcon FOs made $7K+ last Jun. One of our Falcon capts has over 300 hours this year (Jan-Apr), at $110-120/hour.
 
plunger said:
I thought about applying but I've heard you don't get very many sim sessions before the big dance. Kind of spooks me a little not having much turbine experience. That's awesome pay though!
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The training department at USA Jet is second to none...especially in the charter industry. It is better than a some scheduled airlines actually, I know from first hand experience. I trained helicopter pilots to fly the falcon. If you come to training with a hard working attitude and you can fly IFR.....you'll be fine. But if you are expecting to be spoon fed and are still sucking a t*t then you'll fail. It's up to you.
 
Doesn't matter

Again NJ even if you are a 135, which is not your primary role, I understand you are subpart K. But any way thast is irrelevant, because these pilots do not have an opportunity to work for you until they meet your mins. BTW Cruxx knows what he is talking about, he beat me up in the sim a couple times.
 
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i'm just waiting to get my multi commercial so i can get to that position of DA 20 training:)
 
Hi!

Falcon guys get 11 hard days/month. -9 guys get 13. If you're out of town coming up on your days off, the company will airline you to DTW, or anywhere, if the price is about the same. I basically never airline to DTW-I go somewhere else.

PM me with your email for more info.

cliff
GRB
 
$34 K per year to start, 10 hard days off every 28 day bid period. This means you are home by 0600 the start of your days off, even if we have to buy you an airline ticket or miss a trip. While in a duty status, you have to live in the immediate YIP area. Benefits are good with a Blue Cross/Blue Shield plan you would be eligible for after 90 days. Pay goes up for F/O’s $2/hr in the 3rd year. Captain could be as early as a year, depends upon turnover and growth. Company covers all hotel costs on the road and gives the pilots $1.58 per hour pre-diem while away from YIP to cover meals. Time away from home is the luck of the draw, one guy’s fly’s 80 hours and is gone from home 6 days, and the next guy flies 45 hours and is gone 12 days. Some guys spend one night a month in a hotel way from home, but fly many night time round trips. It is a non-sked, hence no schedule. If interested please post a resume to the above address and we will see if you presently meet our hiring profile.

 
I think that if anyone wanted to put up with life on a pager and trips that are more like controlled chaos, there will likely be an opportunity to to become a falcon capt. at USAJ in 6-12 months. This is assuming you are a sharp instrument pilot and come in with a little higher total time than most. Right now upgrade mins are about 3k TT, although the times will be demanding less eventually. If you have a family that is willing to live within 20 minutes of YIP you will probably see them about 20 days a month, give or take a few. I personally feel that the times will soon dictate more days off for falcon pilots.

JF
 
asipilot said:
I think that if anyone wanted to put up with life on a pager and trips that are more like controlled chaos, there will likely be an opportunity to to become a falcon capt. at USAJ in 6-12 months. This is assuming you are a sharp instrument pilot and come in with a little higher total time than most. Right now upgrade mins are about 3k TT, although the times will be demanding less eventually. If you have a family that is willing to live within 20 minutes of YIP you will probably see them about 20 days a month, give or take a few. I personally feel that the times will soon dictate more days off for falcon pilots.

JF
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Well said. And this among other reasons is why if you have 2k plus USA Jet is the place to be, and this is a company that wants to grow. Even if you have less than 2k, they will put you to work flying a jet and you will build valuable time. While you might not get the quick upgrade with lower times the QOL and pay at USA Jet is unparalleled not only in the On Demand Cargo business (for this size of aircaft) it is also better than every regional out there. This of course is assuming that you choose to live in base. If you choose to commute, well.... thats your choice. I've been down that road and I regretted it later. (I have to say that I think commuting is by far the quickest way for a pilot to kill his or her QOL)

Back to USA Jet...... They are not satisfied with that they have, even though what they have is a good thing. That is the right attitude to have. In aviation, you should never get too comfortable, this includes in the air and with how you run your business. Complacency not only kills pilots, it kills profits. You can't have one without the other.

I almost did not come here because of the location of the company. I had read all the horror stories about Detroit. I moved here from the East Coast where I was working at my last job. And so far the only thing I can tell you is don't believe everything that you read about Detroit. Sure, there are parts of town that you really have no business being in , but one thing you will quickly realize if you move here is that Willow Run is not really part of Downtown at all. There are plenty of great areas within the call out time area that seem to me like great places to raise a family and settle down. (Canton for example, or on the lake in Belleville) My point, while Detroit is not booming like other towns like Phoenix, or Denver there are still great parts of town and you can actually afford to buy a house here, ON FIRST YEAR PAY. Where else can you do that? Thats what I call great QOL!
 
Way2Broke said:
Well said. And this among other reasons is why if you have 2k plus USA Jet is the place to be, and this is a company that wants to grow. Even if you have less than 2k, they will put you to work flying a jet and you will build valuable time. While you might not get the quick upgrade with lower times the QOL and pay at USA Jet is unparalleled not only in the On Demand Cargo business (for this size of aircaft) it is also better than every regional out there. This of course is assuming that you choose to live in base. If you choose to commute, well.... thats your choice. I've been down that road and I regretted it later. (I have to say that I think commuting is by far the quickest way for a pilot to kill his or her QOL)

Back to USA Jet...... They are not satisfied with that they have, even though what they have is a good thing. That is the right attitude to have. In aviation, you should never get too comfortable, this includes in the air and with how you run your business. Complacency not only kills pilots, it kills profits. You can't have one without the other.

I almost did not come here because of the location of the company. I had read all the horror stories about Detroit. I moved here from the East Coast where I was working at my last job. And so far the only thing I can tell you is don't believe everything that you read about Detroit. Sure, there are parts of town that you really have no business being in , but one thing you will quickly realize if you move here is that Willow Run is not really part of Downtown at all. There are plenty of great areas within the call out time area that seem to me like great places to raise a family and settle down. (Canton for example, or on the lake in Belleville) My point, while Detroit is not booming like other towns like Phoenix, or Denver there are still great parts of town and you can actually afford to buy a house here, ON FIRST YEAR PAY. Where else can you do that? Thats what I call great QOL!
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Belleville seems the same as the SW burbs of Chicago.
 
YIP is what you make of it, for a native Michigander who has lived all over the US I kinda like it. No hurricanes, no floods, a couple tornadoes once in while, and ice and snow. However, in Michigan ice and snow is not really a big deal like it is down south, they are equipped to handle it. The season change is something you really enjoy, unlike living in FL. where you go Ho Hum another beautiful day, so what. In Michigan, people call in sick on beautiful days. Flying out of YIP will make you one of the best instrument pilots in the country, YIP ranks up with SEA for the number of IFR days. In YIP you will learn the real meaning of clean airplane, deicing is a way of life you get really good at understanding holdover time. At YIP you will develop flying skills that allow you move onto your career destination, even if you do not care for the area like some. It gave him the resume fluff to move to his next job. We all pay our dues in some way; YIP is only one way. Our turnover at USA Jet is very low so some other people must have found YIP an all right place to spend some time. How many major airports are there in the country where you can live 10 minutes from the parking lot on an acre of land for less than 200K? Where else can you still get one dollar drafts at places like the Wedge? As I said at the start YIP is what you make of it, some people say it is OK, others do not like it here and do not apply. Simple choices.
 
Hi!

De-icing out of YIP.

I did not de-ice once this winter-weird! Twice we put a plane in a hanger on the road to avoid de-icing.

Way-to-broke:
You need to STOP all the orange stuff. Mix it with 1/2 of that nice, dark blue color (not the lighter blue of FLORIDA-gross!). That will give you some contrast, and turn your VOLs into a nice War Eagle/Tiger!!! Go Plainsmen!

C U Soon!

cliff
GRB
 
USA Jet has seen their ups and downs over the past few years, but as the company continues to diversify and the economy continues to stabilize, things will continue to improve. I have spent nearly 5 years here building valuable time and experience This was my first jet and my first type rating, I have been fortunate to hold many different positions in the training department. Like Cruxx said our training is second to none. The pay is good and the pilots are getting treated much better, I for one am glad I came here over a couple of regional opportunities I had. It has been a lot of fun and I will miss it.
 

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