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LM must have been to that airport at least 50-100 times in the 10 years he worked for USA Jet. Most of that Mexico stuff is in the middle of the night.
 
Hi.

I talked to a guy that knew him (LM) really well. He flew into MMIO AT LEAST 200 times!

cliff
YIP
 
wannabe a DR. said:
The four years that I was a pilot at USA Jet there was never( ONE captain including LM) that I ever flew with who would take a visual in Mexico. It is almost unwritten SOP to deny a visual even when radar service was terminated. LM could not mistake a road for something on the plate while on the approach and neither would any other USAJ pilot I ever flew with from 2004-2008.
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Never flew a visual in Mexico, always on the approach. Agree 100%.
 
wannabe a DR. said:
The four years that I was a pilot at USA Jet there was never( ONE captain including LM) that I ever flew with who would take a visual in Mexico. It is almost unwritten SOP to deny a visual even when radar service was terminated. LM could not mistake a road for something on the plate while on the approach and neither would any other USAJ pilot I ever flew with from 2004-2008.
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MMIO is notorious for giving the VOR 17, CIRCLE TO LAND 35. Even when the wind is 5 knots out of the north, and there isnt an aircraft around...that is what I get a majority of the time. If its night/and or low vis, I try to request a straight-in regardless of the slight tailwind. Im not sure why they insist on the circle with regard to the terrain in the area....they arent very proactive in making those seemingly obvious decisions to inbound AC.
 
DeltaLima21 said:
MMIO is notorious for giving the VOR 17, CIRCLE TO LAND 35. Even when the wind is 5 knots out of the north, and there isnt an aircraft around...that is what I get a majority of the time. If its night/and or low vis, I try to request a straight-in regardless of the slight tailwind. Im not sure why they insist on the circle with regard to the terrain in the area....they arent very proactive in making those seemingly obvious decisions to inbound AC.
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I remember shooting that approach. It's challenging.
 
I am currently at USA Jet and it most certainly IS an unwritten SOP to never accept a visual into Mexican airports. In addition, we try to NOT do circling manuevers down there unless there are no other options (We will practically beg for the straight-in apc). I am sure all of who have been down there are aware of the challenges, i.e. terrain, complex step-downs, ATC limitations, that lead to his mindset. My buddy Lonnie was aware of and strictly adhered to these policies and techniques. I would suggest we all adopt a "wait and see " attitude as to the any "contributing factors". I don't mean to step on anybody's toes here but any speculation is just that...and in my opinion unnecssary...Sorry if I have offended.
 
Falcon that is a good post. Amazing how professional the freight dogs can be and not turn this into debacle like some of the other sections of flightinfo

I have flown into a lot of Mex and Central Mex airports and it is my habit to fly the approach, and visual ONLY if I know the place SOLID and its day VFR. I take the viz into Mazatlan sometimes and even into Toluca (the sisters house or church on final to 15 probably doesnt like it.....) but I know thoses places like the back of my hand, only in the DAY, and am ALWAYS away of MSA and terrain.

Fly safe
 
Oh boy, now your gonna get it....


That is incredible video of the last few seconds. I have never seen a large aircraft bank that fast in both directions before. WOW
 
cherry20's said:
Oh boy, now your gonna get it....
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You're right. It could have been one of a thousand things. When these things happen in third-world countries, sometimes the investigations are not transparent nor thorough, so everyone waiting for an "official" opinion or result may be disappointed. Not that speculation is in the least bit better.
 
The NTSB and FAA was on site to over see the investigation. The Mexican aviation dept is finished and the NTSB has all the black boxes. The NTSB will do the leg work and the Mexican Aviation Dept will get credit.
 
Lonnie

The pilots and skydivers of Waynesville, OH and Richmond, IN have lost a member of our family. Lonnie will always be remembered for his smile, warm nature, and his unique character. For me, I never had more fun flying than I did with Lonnie when we flew 182s in formation with skydivers. I'll always have great memories of hanging out with him and talking about our dreams of someday making a living flying airplanes.
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-T-XqqADURY&feature=related

Look at these damn idiots. This makes me so frustrated watching some untrained guys try and rescue our pilots. They aren't even putting out the fire at the begining and then they are spraying each other instead of opening the door to get the pilots out! Mother F-ers!

Off my soapbox now, sorry....
 
oceandude said:
excellent hospitals in mexico! you assume just because its in mexico its bad??? inform yourself before making a comment.....
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First, let me say that I do consider myself informed, as my girlfriend is a burn survivor, she is doing just fine, thanks for asking. Second, the intent of the post was not to degrade Mexican hospitals, as I'm sure they have plenty of good ones, but the best burn units in the world are in the U.S., bar none. One that comes to mind is BAMC, San Antonio. At any rate my thoughts and prayers go out to the First Officer and the long road ahead.
 
no burns

vegan butcher said:
First, let me say that I do consider myself informed, as my girlfriend is a burn survivor, she is doing just fine, thanks for asking. Second, the intent of the post was not to degrade Mexican hospitals, as I'm sure they have plenty of good ones, but the best burn units in the world are in the U.S., bar none. One that comes to mind is BAMC, San Antonio. At any rate my thoughts and prayers go out to the First Officer and the long road ahead.
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F/O has no burn related problems
 
satpak77 said:
Mexican news is reporting Capt is dead, initials LM and Copilot survived with major burns, initials CJ.

Reportedly it was "flying from" Hamilton, Canada and on approach when it crashed a few kilometers (press uses kilometers in Mexico) from the runway at 01:15 AM, Sunday.

However, flightaware indicates that the above flight possibly stopped in Shreveport before departing for Saltillo.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/JUS199

MMIO/Saltillo approach plates at this link

http://www.vatmex.com/charts/MMIO.zip
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Sorry YIP, misinformation i guess.
 
oceandude said:
excellent hospitals in mexico! you assume just because its in mexico its bad??? inform yourself before making a comment.....
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For those that have a question about healthcare in Mexico, in the major cities, Monterrey, Guadalajara, Mexico City (Saltillo is 50 miles west of MTY but, no, its not MTY but receives alot of MTY influence), they are some outstanding quality hospitals.

FYI America is not "top" in healthcare quality. Remember that lady in New York who flopped around on the floor of an ER for one hour and then died. That was in USA.

Also, many Mex doctors study at US medical schools on special visas then return to Mexico to practice.

For the uneducated, Mexico is not some dude asleep under a tree taking a Siesta. It is a major Latin American country and yes, not without problems (as all countries have), it does indeed have excellent healthcare.
 
ok girls,
i was in mmio on tues. i fly a yellow 727 for a pos freight company.
sorry to have to say this:

the mexican ntsb came onboard our airplane. i am not impressed at all. while the head investigator was nice as was the young lady, i am NOT at all impressed. the lady was never even on a turbo jet before. they came on our 727 to look around. never asked us a single question:

how is mexican atc? how is the weather reporting at mmio? how is the dme arc to the ils 17 at mmio? nothing. nada. personally i have zero confidence in the mexican atc system or mexican ntsb.

i have been going to mmio for over 5 years now. it is bad, very bad.

and the absolute worst part:

as we were taxing into our spot, a usa jet was getting the ifr clearance to day. guess who they were taking home?

LM RIP. while i never met you, i sincerely feel for your family. God Bless YOU.
 
burns again

vegan butcher said:
Sorry YIP, misinformation i guess.
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There is photo of the F/O with what looks like severe burns on his face. It was really smoke ashes, it basically washed off. I saw him Wednesday, his face had no signs of burns, nor did any of his exposed skin. We are hoping for his speedy recovery and I told his father he has a job waiting for him when he is ready to come back.
 
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will let you know

Stifler's Mom said:
Yip,

What types of injuries did he suffer?

Condolences to him and the rest of the USA Jet family.
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I am not sure that information can be released.
 
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