USA Jet DC-9 down in Saltillo

[Way2Broke]

Mexicanflyboy's broken English is sometimes not so broken, and his Spanish is poor at best. He's a troll.

The US media has never been remotely reliable...who would possibly think anything gleaned out of a Mexican paper any more so?

With a current investigation under way, why sully the reputation of two pilots and introduce unsubstantiated rumor? Speculation is unprofessional.

Try a little decorum.

We agree, but I think that at times, mostly after the reports are out, that speculation can be educational. The NTSB doesn't always get it right, but they try real hard.

 

[EdAtTheAirport]

Whatever you guys!

My condolences for all of you at USA Jet.

 

[Fernando]

I never said it was true, i said it was on a newspaper and that it was werid, if anyone had heard anything about it, i was asking, not making a statement...r.ead my post again please.


well see what happens after the NTSB report, and in case (i hope not) but just i case it turns out to be true (again, i hope not) i would be happy to meet the guy who wants be to meet him behing the hanger....that would be fun

 

[Way2Broke]

While I am sure that you had no bad intentions, I think the point is that by posting the link you are promoting rumors. Of course this is aviation, so there are no shortage of those anyways. Pilots love rumors and dirty laundry.

A simple "I hope not" or "This is pure speculation" or even "I don't think this is the case" would have made your post alot easier to stomach.

 

[pilotyip]

not outside NTSB

The US Govt. hasn't heard the CVR?

Curious.

Yes NTSB has done the initial reading of the CVR, but no one has any info on what was on the tape. It is under the control of the Mexican Gov't who it leading the investigation. BTW The newspaper report has the Capt's name wrong and the CVR only has a 30 minute overwrite tape, so how would anyone know what went on for 7 hours? This is all BS

 

[Falcon4.0]

Hey Fernando,
My post was not directed at you but rather whomever you were quoting....But as pilotyip indicated cvr's are on a 30 minute loop so it is easy to see the person(s) who slandered my friend know as much about aviation as they do about common decency.

 

[Fernando]

Yeah, i know that a lot of it doesnt make sence, but with my post i was just notifyng you guys of this new thing that came out on that paper, i know for a fact that getting info on plane crashes from a newspaper is not a good or smart thing, but again, i just wanted to comment on this...

and i found it specially interesting cause i had heard this version barely 2 or 3 days after the accident, from someone in ATC, i didnt even ask how they had came out with this.....

and now that i read it i was thinking that maybe the reporter got it from that same source, and figuring out that it came from someone who worked in aviation, it must be true,so he went ahead and published it without much thinking...

but again, im just assuming thats what happened....

 

[pilotyip]

other reports

the papers also reported around the time of the accident, That the crew had mistaken the road for the runway, that they were on fire in flight, that they had exploded in flight before impact, and that one of the engines had failed. None of these were true either.

 

[Dieterly]

That the crew had mistaken the road for the runway, that they were on fire in flight, that they had exploded in flight before impact, and that one of the engines had failed. None of these were true either.

Since you seem to know what actually happend, why don't you share with the rest of us?

 

[masedogg19]

He does work at USA Jet but he probably can't yet......

 

[avbug]

but again, im just assuming thats what happened....

Assumption. Nearly as professional as speculation, and twice as much as a guess.

But then who needs assumption, speculation, and guesswork, when all one really needs is yellow journalism and a hunch?

 

[pilotyip]

Only what I know did not happen

Since you seem to know what actually happend, why don't you share with the rest of us?

I only know what did not happen, based upon what I saw at the accident site. They were no signs of fire in flight, the airplane was intact, all the major pieces were found at the impact site, and you could not find that road at night without NVG's. The airplane struck the ground in a steep right hand bank with the right wing tip being the first point of impact. The airplane broke into four sections on impact and fire consumed much of the center of the airplane. The unanswered question is why were they in a steep bank near the ground, and we will have to wait until the pros tell us what they think happened. I am sharing all I know about the accident.

 

[iaflyer]

I only know what did not happen, based upon what I saw at the accident site. They were no signs of fire in flight, the airplane was intact, all the major pieces were found at the impact site, and you could not find that road at night without NVG's. The airplane struck the ground in a steep right hand bank with the right wing tip being the first point of impact. The airplane broke into four sections on impact and fire consumed much of the center of the airplane. The unanswered question is why were they in a steep bank near the ground, and we will have to wait until the pros tell us what they think happened. I am sharing all I know about the accident.

Thanks for the facts - which have been sorely missing from this discussion.

For everyone else, lets not get our exercise by jumping to conclusions. Obviously, no CVR can tell an investigative authority what was said in the cockpit for 7 hours. That alone should of sent this news report to the trash, not being posted on this message board. That report is so "out there" when someone asks me about the accident, I won't even mention it because it's so silly.

 

[skysharke]

http://www.zocalo.com.mx/seccion/articulo/pleito-en-la-cabina-causa-el-avionazo/

This is Saltillo's version of the national inquirer a bunch of CRAP. Don't believe a word of this rubbish.

How's the F/O doing? I hope a full and speedy recovery.

 

[rnobson]

This report has now been picked up and relayed as truth at PPRuNE

 

[Metro752]

Lies such as this could have a severe impact on past, and present USA Jet pilots in the eyes of overseas pilots.

One quote from PPRune

Well obviously the CRM failed on this one.

I do wish the authorities would realise that ramming CRM courses down aircrews' throats doesn't make one jot of difference.

Those most in need of practising it DON'T, yet I bet their currency was up to date. Most of us who believe in it (despite all the name changes over the years) practise it anyway, we always did.

Worst thing is that most companies know who these people are but don't take action because otherwise (if they're not careful) THEY can be prosecuted for harassment and the like as most of these things are based in hearsay (but no less accurate for that).

So really, this is another Human Factors accident and quite frankly an impossible position for just about all those involved (the live ones anyway).

CRM is assessed in OPC/LPCs these days. Is there any evidence that crew have been suspended (not hanged) because their CRM was not up to an acceptable standard?

It would be an interesting exercise for the competent authorities NTSB / AAIB inspectors to peruse the relevant personal documentation.

Nothing listed on either the FAA or NTSB sites, sounds like CRM was a dirty contraction in this carriers crewing prog?

Could not be further from the truth regarding the culture, and training at USA Jet.

 

[pilotyip]

What is PPRune?

One quote from PPRune Could not be further from the truth regarding the culture, and training at USA Jet.

I have never heard of this place. Again we have passed too many tests and insepctions of our operations. It is a solid program. CRM works here and is built into every aspect of the airplane SOP.

 

[Spencer]

Why is this Prune, whatever you call it, crap posted here anyways? I could go start a BLOG today and say that is was alien spacecraft that took down my friend in Saltillo and you wouldn't quote that or speculate on CRM or any other crap so why on earth would you even think about repeating this garbage anywhere?

Darn it, I've been sucked in again. Please make the internet stop.

Spencer

 

[CrimsonEclipse]

PPRUNE.org is a forum not a blog.

It is heavily influenced by international pilots.

CE

 

[PUNISHER]

PPRune:
It stands for Professional Pilots Rumors Network

Sort of ironic in the context of this thread