US Airways Pilot Pay 8FEB13

[FR8mastr]

For those who couldn't make the roadshow (like FR8mastr) here it is:

https://www.youtube.com/user/usairlinepilotsvideo/featured

Why don't you read the freaking document!!! Not just listen to the sales pitch?

 

[CavePilot]

Why don't you read the freaking document!!! Not just listen to the sales pitch?

Have YOU read the current US Air contract/pay.

Quit acting like there's soooo much to lose. Up is the only direction for these folks.

...unless they vote it down, then back to workng for peanuts and the unknown.

Unknown def.-Will they make another offer? Maybe they'll just move forward with a pilot group under 2 or 3 payscales/work rules which worked out great for East vs. West, etc.

It's like some of you just like to suffer.

Be cautious in your choice, not paranoid and ridiculous.

 

[JECKEL]

"Why don't you read the freaking document!!! Not just listen to the sales pitch?"

I read the document and listened to the sales pitch and even read your opinions posted in this thread.

I am happy to say that I am 100% satisfied in my decision to vote YES on this MOU. It is a positive step forward for all US Air pilots.

 

[jc3]

You really need to read the MOU with your eyes on what the company can do or not do. Put away you hate for the East just for a moment if that is even possible.

American pilots are 190 pay protected indefinitely
Airways pilot are pay protected for the MTA only.

What does that tell you about where all the 190 will be going?

Furloughed Airways pilot must comply with a preferential hiring agreement and then will be listed on the American list in the order they appear on the property.

Furloughed American pilots will appear on the Airways list in seniority order amongst themselves.

The company MAY go for a single certificate. Why is it do you think that word is in there?

There is much more, but I know there is very little point.

FR8mastr,
What are your thoughts and opinions on the JFK assassination and Sept. 11?

 

[boomlrd]

Please vote yes, your payscale was one of the examples Spirit management used to keep our pay so low, even after a strike! Makes me sick to think I still have to deal with a Spirit payscale another unknown amount of years due to our management claiming we would make more than a major (USAirways), embarrassing.

 

[stein429]

So, with a "Yes" vote on 8 Feb...

...followed by the BK Judge's approval the Nic award gets implemented with the POR.

Everybody's happy.

:beer:

 

[Carl S.]

Angry First Officers out East say vote NO!!!!! Can things get worse than LOA 93 for ten years?

 

[JECKEL]

Angry First Officers out east are not being smart.
In fact, these seasoned experts are bordering on being outright dumb.

 

[MCDU]

I would be very surprised if the this MOU is voted down. 65 % for.

M

 

[JECKEL]

CLT Rep recall vote failed roughly 70% to 30%.

I think this is a good indicator that the MOU wll pass by similar numbers.

 

[Turtle21]

CLT Rep recall vote failed roughly 70% to 30%.

I think this is a good indicator that the MOU wll pass by similar numbers.

Not sure I'm tracking with you. Those in favor of the recall (~30%) were most likely also in favor of the MOU, while those opposed to the recall(~70%) were more likely the ones that may also be opposed to the terms in the current MOU proposal.

It may pass by that % but not sure the recall % would correlate.

 

[LearLove]

CLT Rep recall vote failed roughly 70% to 30%.

I think this is a good indicator that the MOU wll pass by similar numbers.

FWIW I would think that this "failed recall" if you used it (and it only) as an MOU vote indicator - would result in the MOU getting voted down.

As for the recall, I'm happy I did my part to waste the recallers' time when I let them give me a 30 minute song and dance in the CLT crewroom (they are not supposed to do that stuff in there anyway) before I informed them I was PHL based and walked away. Childish? Yes, but small victories, and it was more entertaining than completing my distance learning.

 

[Turtle21]

FWIW I would think that this "failed recall" if you used it (and it only) as an MOU vote indicator - would result in the MOU getting voted down.

Agree, and as you allude the percentage is still a toss up with DCA and PHX voting, and PHL.


The pay rates look good but a lot of pilots are sick of the shenanigans mngmnt plays with loose contract language, of which this MOU has plenty. IMHO the pay rates, regardless of scope and LPP concessions, will push it through.

 

[LearLove]

The pay rates look good but a lot of pilots are sick of the shenanigans mngmnt plays with loose contract language, of which this MOU has plenty. IMHO the pay rates, regardless of scope and LPP concessions, will push it through.

I fully agree and that seems to be the scuttle on the line. Everyone is OK with the pay/money (except E190) but the rest is garbage.

Dumba$$ pilots, we are our own worst enemy.

Here is the thing. And this is no indication of how I voted (or may change my vote by the 8th if that is the case). If it is voted down AND the company/NAC comes back with another offer my feeling is it will just be with more money attached (mostly upping the 40 mil COC/min fleet money) and they will not fix the COC/min fleet/block hours language. Just my thought.

 

[JECKEL]

It's been my experience around CLT that the folks that were unhappy with their representatives and wanted to recall them are the same ones who are now dissatisfied with the MOU and have vowed to vote NO.
So it's my assumption, from what I have witnessed, that the people who voted YES to recall and get rid of their reps are the same people who have sworn to vote NO on the MOU. These are the "angry" voters.
So, in CLT, angry voters 30%, not angry voters 70%. Or something like that.
Clear as mud.