US Airways Pilot Pay 8FEB13

[Ocity]

"B: the merger ultimately get approved by a BK Judge?"

No Bankruptcy Judge will stop this merger if both sides agree to it.

Of course. However one side seems to not agree and keeps asking for extensions so they can hash out their STAND ALONE plan. I wouldn't dismiss the Judge quite yet. The MOU is the easy part.

 

[Ocity]

These rates will be effective on 8 Feb. The MOU will be voted for this Friday.

Your fake union has misled you if you believe this.

 

[abefly]

Your fake union has misled you if you believe this.

While I agree with you on the fake union comment, he is correct on the pay starting Feb 8.

If the MOU is voted in friday the new pay rates will start Feb 8 but not be paid out until after the plan of reorganization or POR is approved by the bankrupcy judge.

There will be a (approximately) 10K bonus per pilot, to be decided by USAPA, and the back pay to be paid after the POR.

No MOU=No Bonus or backpay.

 

[pave driver]

Your fake union has misled you if you believe this.

It's a done deal. APA will be our union soon. There is too much money to be made by the decision makers for it to not go through. It's a done deal. Time for all to come together and move forward. All pilots in the industry will benefit.

 

[pave driver]

While I agree with you on the fake union comment, he is correct on the pay starting Feb 8.

If the MOU is voted in friday the new pay rates will start Feb 8 but not be paid out until after the plan of reorganization or POR is approved by the bankrupcy judge.

There will be a (approximately) 10K bonus per pilot, to be decided by USAPA, and the back pay to be paid after the POR.

No MOU=No Bonus or backpay.

The POR will be this summer. Current estimate is 1 JUL 13.

 

[FR8mastr]

It's a done deal. APA will be our union soon. There is too much money to be made by the decision makers for it to not go through. It's a done deal. Time for all to come together and move forward. All pilots in the industry will benefit.

Yea just ask the TWA pilots how great the APA has been to them

 

[pave driver]

Yea just ask the TWA pilots how great the APA has been to them

Things have changed since then - like the law.

 

[MCDU]

If i could vote.i would vote YES.

M

 

[FR8mastr]

Things have changed since then - like the law.

You really need to read the MOU with your eyes on what the company can do or not do. Put away you hate for the East just for a moment if that is even possible.

American pilots are 190 pay protected indefinitely
Airways pilot are pay protected for the MTA only.

What does that tell you about where all the 190 will be going?

Furloughed Airways pilot must comply with a preferential hiring agreement and then will be listed on the American list in the order they appear on the property.

Furloughed American pilots will appear on the Airways list in seniority order amongst themselves.

The company MAY go for a single certificate. Why is it do you think that word is in there?

There is much more, but I know there is very little point.

 

[Flying Horses]

You really need to read the MOU with your eyes on what the company can do or not do. Put away you hate for the East just for a moment if that is even possible.

American pilots are 190 pay protected indefinitely
Airways pilot are pay protected for the MTA only.

What does that tell you about where all the 190 will be going?

Furloughed Airways pilot must comply with a preferential hiring agreement and then will be listed on the American list in the order they appear on the property.

Furloughed American pilots will appear on the Airways list in seniority order amongst themselves.

The company MAY go for a single certificate. Why is it do you think that word is in there?

There is much more, but I know there is very little point.

Why are you living in such a fantasyland? That statement you just said is a completely false statement and is total rubbish.

There is nothing in the MOU that gives AA pilots anything preferential to USAirways pilots. This MOU, in essense, is a legal document that states US Airways pilots will become equal to AA pilots and fall under their newly ratified contract. This MOU also ammends this new AA contract with more protections for both AA and US Airways pilots during the transition period before a joint contract.

* There is nothing in the MOU that says AA nor US Airways pilots will be pay-protected any differently or for any different durations.

* You are trying to twist things somehow referring to how furloughed pilots will be treated. It's very clear - before hiring off-the-street pilots - AA furloughed pilots can go to the bottom of the US Airways list (in the order they appear on the AA list) if US Airways is hiring and AA is not. And, US Airways furloughed pilots can go to the bottom of the AA list (in the order they appear on the US Airways list) if AA is hiring and US Airways is not. This language is the same in most all airline mergers, and makes sense.

* Of course, management will immediately apply for single-carrier status and certificate. (Just as they did in the America West/US Airways merger, and Delta/NW, and United/Continental, etc., etc.) That makes no sense that they wouldn't. In fact, there are specific timelines in order to get this done quickly. They are structuring this agreement to make sure it happens fast, along with a seniority list integration. Not becoming a single carrier, would make zero econmic sense. The whole reason for a merger is to combine operations and create synergies.

People like you are scaring me to death. Trying to read so much into this document in such a state of paranoia and fear and twisting words around, and telling people to vote against this.

Passing this MOU and thus falling under this new Merger Transition Agreement is the best thing to happen to pilots at US Airways. Sure, there will be some basically minor things different than US Airways pilots are used to. But that's because we will now basically fall under the new AA contract. But being under the AA contract, along with the extra monetary value and protections that the MOU offers, is vastly superior to staying as status quo under our current LOA93/Contract2004 agreements.

Rejecting this MOU will be tragic for US Airways pilots. There will be no re-negotiating it. To gamble by voting no and thinking we could get better is way, way to risky. Voting no is basically guaranteeing we will be suffering more under our current contract and means we will not be going into seniority list integration talks as equals to AA pilots - a very risky move.

Remember, this MOU is just a bridge (a transition agreement) towards a full-fledged joint contract between all pilots (legacy AA and legacy US Airways and legacy America West pilots) at a new merged American Airlines. Things that may be negative in the current AA contract and better in the America West/US Airways contracts can then be negotiated during joint contract talks.

But, we must vote YES on this MOU to get us on this bridge, otherwise we will be swimming in the cold waters below.