US Airways Pilot/FA Recall

[Tweaker]

I still don't see how you can have ill will towards someone who chooses to come to the dark side. It will be something that is in their best interests that doesn't effect you or anyone on the West at all. I am missing something.

 

[psw757]

No ill will here. Just a real crap sandwich deal for those guys.

 

[The Rookie]

Bzzzt.

Who said anything about being fair? Nothing is fair in this business, especially at this company. If any original west take this it is a 100 percent sellout. There are more rumored classes for Phx in the next couple months. Why anyone would give up what they earned Over the last 5-6 years to go to the 190 on the very first chance is beyond me.

For someone who is a furloughed, super junior west third-lister who lives in the PHL area, you sure are trying to dissuade senior west furloughees from taking the 190. This strikes me as slightly suspicious.

This airline is nowhere near a combined pilot contract. The Declaratory Judgement process is easily 18 to 24 months from being complete. Even then, we have our USAPA professional negotiating team who has barely scratched the surface on a new contract in the course of the past two years and will have even less incentive to combine the two groups if they feel the Nicolau Award will be implemented in a post Declaratory Judgement world.

The west operation is unlikely to ever return to 142 airplanes and I highly doubt you'll see ever see any new-hires, even when Parker decides to actually add capacity. What you are implying is that a pilot living out east should sit at the bottom of the west list and be in danger of being furloughed again as well as commute across the country to sit reserve for the next three to four years at a minimum.

So, that being said, I don't blame a furloughed guy with nothing to lose who lives on the east coast one bit for considering a position on the 190 in PHL. The East has the growth. Like it or not, the previously profitable routes in PHX and LAS under the old AWA cost structure are no longer and the majority of money to be made now is in PHL and DCA. Not to mention you have the union leaders of one pilot group who make Doug & Scott look like geniuses every quarter when the financials come out. They continue to have an incredible cost advantage to the company and will do so until they can no longer legally impose their will on the minority. Economics always wins.

To me, a E-190 position is like starting over at another airline. $51/hour to start and a raise when you can bid off in 12 months when your seat lock expires. It is not right for a furloughed west pilot to get stuck behind third listers, but this has nothing to do with selling out the Nicolau Award. It has everything to do with a hostile union and company who could care less ignoring language in the Transition Agreement that was supposed to ensure that pre-merger AWA pilots are senior to their third-list brethren in any situation.

 

[psw757]

For someone who is a furloughed, super junior west third-lister who lives in the PHL area, you sure are trying to dissuade senior west furloughees from taking the 190. This strikes me as slightly suspicious.

This airline is nowhere near a combined pilot contract. The Declaratory Judgement process is easily 18 to 24 months from being complete. Even then, we have our USAPA professional negotiating team who has barely scratched the surface on a new contract in the course of the past two years and will have even less incentive to combine the two groups if they feel the Nicolau Award will be implemented in a post Declaratory Judgement world.

The west operation is unlikely to ever return to 142 airplanes and I highly doubt you'll see ever see any new-hires, even when Parker decides to actually add capacity. What you are implying is that a pilot living out east should sit at the bottom of the west list and be in danger of being furloughed again as well as commute across the country to sit reserve for the next three to four years at a minimum.

So, that being said, I don't blame a furloughed guy with nothing to lose who lives on the east coast one bit for considering a position on the 190 in PHL. The East has the growth. Like it or not, the previously profitable routes in PHX and LAS under the old AWA cost structure are no longer and the majority of money to be made now is in PHL and DCA. Not to mention you have the union leaders of one pilot group who make Doug & Scott look like geniuses every quarter when the financials come out. They continue to have an incredible cost advantage to the company and will do so until they can no longer legally impose their will on the minority. Economics always wins.

To me, a E-190 position is like starting over at another airline. $51/hour to start and a raise when you can bid off in 12 months when your seat lock expires. It is not right for a furloughed west pilot to get stuck behind third listers, but this has nothing to do with selling out the Nicolau Award. It has everything to do with a hostile union and company who could care less ignoring language in the Transition Agreement that was supposed to ensure that pre-merger AWA pilots are senior to their third-list brethren in any situation.

Wow, Lighten Up there FRANCIS!
If it is such a great deal then accept the offer. really, one persons opinion shouldn't sway an entire list of furloughees. If you live out east it is a marginally ok deal, I'm not 100% thrilled about certain aspects of it. And as far as trying to persuade anyone, some asked what to expect as far as schedules and commutability etc.... If you look, the lines ain't great. And then the poop flinging started.

One thing I do agree with you on is the union being such DOH advocates, they should have really tried a little harder to ensure that the recall process was conducted via DOH. The way it is happening is truly pathetic at best!

Hopefully everything works out so we are all back to work soon and where we want to!

 

[elguapo9]

To me, a E-190 position is like starting over at another airline. $51/hour to start and a raise when you can bid off in 12 months when your seat lock expires..

I'm sure it was a typo, but it's $41/hr on the Mexican Airbus.

No notifications for this class yet. Nothing but crickets at my house.

 

[psw757]

I'm sure it was a typo, but it's $41/hr on the Mexican Airbus.

No notifications for this class yet. Nothing but crickets at my house.

He was talking about the 5th or 6th year pay that the west pilots would keep if they come over to the 190. Which I believe is 51 an hour. They keep their longevity for pay, benefit and vacation accrual purposes but lose seniority by starting on bottom.

Not sure when the notifications will go out. I heard maybe by friday although they should no by today or tomorrow. From what I was told the big thing up in the air is what the actual class size is going to be. Initially I heard 15 which would be made up of 11-12 east and 3-4 west. But recently I've been hearing they may increase the class to 20-25 since they are splitting classes into two groups following indoc. Anyone know if there will be a december class?

 

[OnTheDole]

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[elguapo9]

Just heard a rumor that packages are going out on Tuesday.

 

[Tweaker]

They did. Expect them Thursday. 14 day notice? NO SOUP FORRR YOU!

There are to be 8 Westies in class! Good for you all, and I am looking forward to it.

 

[Trogdor]

Anyone get their FedEx package yesterday? Mine was a no-show.