US Airways Pilot/FA Recall

[cactusboy53]

I have no complaints about that, but I cannot see how that can be arranged, given the state of affairs (two unmerged lists). I guess my speculation would be more accurate if reversed. That is to say, what happens after all the East furloughs are recalled, does the airline hire new pilots, or do the West furloughs get the jobs.

I think what you said is the most equitable, but also very unlikely.

Again, just the simple (because frankly, that's the kind of guy I am...simple) thought process: The 142 guys in PHX are senior by DOH, they are senior by the Nicolau, they are senior by any hybrid list submited by USAPA. Senior by all three counts, that is all. No disrespect to our third listers. BTW....what if things went crazy out in PHX and we not only recalled all the former AWA pilots back, but needed more. Where would we get those pilots? Third listers that were in PHX first (even if they are junior to third lister's from PHL/CLT/DCA), and then east third listers?

The new US Airways hired a half dozen furloughed US Air pilots when we were hiring. The good news is they got the better wage & working conditions. The bad news is when the economy took a crap, they were going to get furloughed. The good news is miraculously they got recalled to the east bases during furloughs (on both sides).

Here's another thought: When the company says "Oh, we only need 80 pilots. It's the right thing to do'".....my management-worker translation book reads..."Holy crap! The west crew are getting red flag trips like crazy, the east crews are super-short staffed! We needed 80 pilots 3 months ago."

I would bet that we are looking at recalling the lot (those that want / need to come back) a lot sooner than anyone realizes. FWIW.

 

[xrated]

best mexican and beer in CLT.

"best mexican and beer" in Charlotte??? You sure it's better than Taco Bell and a six pack from the local convience store?? Because I'm quite sure, there is NO good mexican food out east...compared to out west that is.

 

[PropPiedmont]

There are 100 EVLA (LOA - voluntary leaves) 73 East/37 West. Expect only 6-10 to return.

The 224 does not include the EVLA pilots.

Involuntary pilots include 140 West/84 East.

I think your math is off.

 

[Tweaker]

Well, if it ain't right, it ain't my math. That comes from a Furlough committee man.

Cactus, you lost me, but I still agree with your position wholeheartedly.

I also agree that all recalls will happen ASAP. I think that this furlough was largely a negotiating tactic whose usefulness has passed. I would not be surprised by a little hiring next year.

 

[flybywire]

Ok why can't people just be happy that the company is calling people back? It is something positive for once and good for everyone on both sides that are currently on the property and for people that are furloughed. Why do some people have to find a negative in everything......

 

[charlie2]

"best mexican and beer" in Charlotte??? You sure it's better than Taco Bell and a six pack from the local convience store?? Because I'm quite sure, there is NO good mexican food out east...compared to out west that is.

I was just there after my A session CQT and had a pitcher of marguaritas and some good chow at 11am. Not quite as good as this little hole in the wall in Yuma though...someone help me with the name?

 

[Metrojet]

"best Mexican and beer" in Charlotte??? You sure it's better than Taco Bell and a six pack from the local convience store?? Because I'm quite sure, there is NO good Mexican food out east...compared to out west that is.

Miguel's in CLT is way better than any Mexican restaurant in Tempe - and no flame intended. Just the facts mam!

Metrojet

 

[grog_sit_reserv]

Because when I think of Mexican Food, North Carolina is the first place that comes to mind.

Ok, Metro, Miguel's is good; definitely better than what xrated said, and yes, I have actually been there; but I mean, seriously? Better than All the Mexican Restaurants in Tempe?

Gonna' have to say no on that one. East vs West thing aside.

 

[UALjan15]

Again, just the simple (because frankly, that's the kind of guy I am...simple) thought process: The 142 guys in PHX are senior by DOH, they are senior by the Nicolau, they are senior by any hybrid list submited by USAPA. Senior by all three counts, that is all. No disrespect to our third listers. BTW....what if things went crazy out in PHX and we not only recalled all the former AWA pilots back, but needed more. Where would we get those pilots? Third listers that were in PHX first (even if they are junior to third lister's from PHL/CLT/DCA), and then east third listers?

The new US Airways hired a half dozen furloughed US Air pilots when we were hiring. The good news is they got the better wage & working conditions. The bad news is when the economy took a crap, they were going to get furloughed. The good news is miraculously they got recalled to the east bases during furloughs (on both sides).

Here's another thought: When the company says "Oh, we only need 80 pilots. It's the right thing to do'".....my management-worker translation book reads..."Holy crap! The west crew are getting red flag trips like crazy, the east crews are super-short staffed! We needed 80 pilots 3 months ago."

I would bet that we are looking at recalling the lot (those that want / need to come back) a lot sooner than anyone realizes. FWIW.

If I were Parker, I'd head off this confrontation at the pass and just announce the recall of all pilots, west and east, and then tweak the dates to meet training realities. You go back to the side you left, simple as that.

 

[CRJFlyer]

Because when I think of Mexican Food, North Carolina is the first place that comes to mind.

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I always thought a Mexican was a Mexican no matter where he/she lived...Pretty sure the food would be the same? Do they lose their authentic Mexicanism as soon as the cross the great divide? Just a thought....

 

[xrated]

I always thought a Mexican was a Mexican no matter where he/she lived...Pretty sure the food would be the same? Do they lose their authentic Mexicanism as soon as the cross the great divide? Just a thought....

Its about the availabilty and variety of fresh ingredience, and last I checked, grits aint on the Mexican Menu. Saying CLT mexican food is better than the Mexican food in Tempe is like saying the seafood in Omaha is better than the seafood in San Diego.

 

[steveg]

It's like saying people outside of Kansas City know how to BBQ. CRAZINESS!

 

[Metro752]

Miguel's in CLT is way better than any Mexican restaurant in Tempe - and no flame intended. Just the facts mam!

Metrojet

I just threw up a little in my mouth. Miguel's Fajitas is the best thing they have on the menu, and everything else is average at best.

 

[HAL]

Congratulations to everyone recalled - east & west, including my former classmates at AWA. This was a long time coming, and I'm glad you all have the option of going back now. Patience does pay off!

HAL

 

[Citjok]

I always thought a Mexican was a Mexican no matter where he/she lived...Pretty sure the food would be the same? Do they lose their authentic Mexicanism as soon as the cross the great divide? Just a thought....

I've had some of the best mexican food in Southern Cal. I wonder why?

 

[PHXFLYR]

Miguel's in CLT is way better than any Mexican restaurant in Tempe - and no flame intended. Just the facts mam!

Metrojet

Apparently you have never been to Armado's, a little hole in the wall mexican fast food joint with 3 stores (?) in the PHX area, all of them about 2 steps ahead of getting shut down by the board of health. They have a shrimp burrito about the size of a baseball bat for something like $4.95 that is a meal unto it self. Delicioso !!



PHXFLYR

 

[fwrtg]

Monkey class

Thanks, HAL! Glad you're back at HAL, as we've moved up one in seniority! But
the monkey will miss you, as Andrea, once again, will have to carry the monkey around during training.
All the best to all -- East and West -- getting back to work and pointing this ship in the right direction.
DTC

 

[LaGarbage Man]

Did anyone else besides me notice that Metrojet and PHXFLYR just had a conversation and neither one of them called each other a name. While they do not agree on the location of the best Mexican food they were still able to disagree with civility. Unfreakin believable, Some body send them for a Wizz Quiz quick because they have to be smokin something. Makes me think there just might be some small glimmer of hope for these two pilot groups after all. We will see but for now baby steps are fine with me.

P.S. Hopefully very soon I will get a chance to try both establishments and will offer up my neutral third party opinion shortly after. Please feel free to completely ignore my decision and then by all means sue the living daylights out of me for a failure to represent your restaurant of choice. Now go easy on the flame because I did put a smiley face on my post.

 

[Crzipilot]

Hey, as long as they don't start debating which mexican joint has more seniority, they will do fine......

HAHAHA

 

[LaGarbage Man]

Ahhh that is where you are wrong. You see in my case seniority does not matter one bit. I am a third lister. You all (East/West) are senior to me so maybe just maybe my third list buddies and I should be the ones to figure out which place has the best Mexican. Just an idea is all I am saying. Now where did I put my Tums?? As for the SLI, we aint touching that thing with a 20 ft. pole. We third listers know exactly what page we will be located on.