US Airways Final Recalls: Take it, or Leave it?

[BeCareful!]

The rabid blather from the east has completely overshadowed the facts. ..

Green,

Plenty of "rabid blather" from PHX and LAS as well....

The West BS got old two years ago.

 

[FurloughedAgain]

What is the 401K match at AWA? Because right now, my understanding is that there is no match at USAirways and a 10% b-fund?

I still haven't heard about the health insurance, the commuter policy, etc.

What is the relative seniority of each of the east bases? Could a Jan 99 recall guy hold Boston? Charlotte? PIT? (anywhere but Philly?)

Do any of the domiciles have a lot of 1 day trips? (I think the shuttle pairings used to be 1-days, didn't they?) How senior are those?

It's hard to make a decision with virtually no information.

 

[TWA Dude]

What is the 401K match at AWA? Because right now, my understanding is that there is no match at USAirways and a 10% b-fund?

There used to be 401k matching at AWA but they realigned it to a 10% company contribution to our 401k fund. That essentially makes the 401k a combined B-fund.

 

[trainer8]

What is the 401K match at AWA? Because right now, my understanding is that there is no match at USAirways and a 10% b-fund?

I still haven't heard about the health insurance, the commuter policy, etc.

What is the relative seniority of each of the east bases? Could a Jan 99 recall guy hold Boston? Charlotte? PIT? (anywhere but Philly?)

Do any of the domiciles have a lot of 1 day trips? (I think the shuttle pairings used to be 1-days, didn't they?) How senior are those?

It's hard to make a decision with virtually no information.

THat info is available I believe on the ALPA web site/Member Only link. Go to the AAA link that should get you access to important info. If you cannot access the site, there is a phone number on the web page for Member services. If you tell them you are furloughed APL and you need info regarding recall, they will activate your username and password to get access to info on the site. You can also e-mail the Furlough Administrator for info at [email protected]

PHL is the only domicele that I know of that has regularly scheduled out and backs on the E190. As more aircraft are delivered, the out and backs should dwindle away. The same happened at MDA when they took deliveries of the E170.

T8

 

[FurloughedAgain]

Super. I can send yet another email to the furlough administrator that he will take weeks to respond to or ignore entirely.

 

[trainer8]

Super. I can send yet another email to the furlough administrator that he will take weeks to respond to or ignore entirely.

Suit yourself....

 

[Green]

Green,

Plenty of "rabid blather" from PHX and LAS as well....

The West BS got old two years ago.

I'd love to hear an example of West threats because I can't think of one...

 

[PHXFLYR]

Suit yourself....

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[Swaayze]

maybe ....who knows? If it was me and I was looking for quality of life I would pass on the narrowbodies and accept the 190. He/she could get real senior real quick and commute with 17-19 days off per month and 21 days of vacation per year (assuming new contract with AWA vac). It would be a huge payraise from Eagle FO pay plus he/she would be looking at a better 401k and more future advancement as seniority permits. But.....to each his own and Us Airways has generally been a bad call over the years so I would understand any reluctance to ever return...

Good points, and honestly if I decide to return I'll probably try to go to the 190 for just those reasons. The problem is that the pay rate is NOT a signifcant increase, about $11/hr. I can easily fly 85-90 at Eagle, be home much more and come out close to even with LCC E190 pay, even considering the higher company contribution for retirement. A couple of years out I should be a Captain at Eagle with 3 weeks vacation and a 5.25% match to my 401k. We live fairly modestly and can do well with that, though it is admittedly low compensation given the job we do. With an upgrade to G2 planes at LCC likely more than 10 years out for furloughees, I think many of us have a harder decision than it would seem. The real wrench for me in going back is that we have no desire to move and circumstances pretty much dictate that we're here in DFW for some time to come, otherwise I'm sure I'd go back. Your last sentence is very on point. Oh, and btw, to make a decision based on assumed contractual gains for East right now is not very wise IMO. I was hopeful that there would be a new contract prior to the last calls, but that's a pipe dream now.

 

[Swaayze]

What is the 401K match at AWA? Because right now, my understanding is that there is no match at USAirways and a 10% b-fund?

I still haven't heard about the health insurance, the commuter policy, etc.

What is the relative seniority of each of the east bases? Could a Jan 99 recall guy hold Boston? Charlotte? PIT? (anywhere but Philly?)

Do any of the domiciles have a lot of 1 day trips? (I think the shuttle pairings used to be 1-days, didn't they?) How senior are those?

It's hard to make a decision with virtually no information.

Company contribution at East is 10% B-fund, no 401k match. No commuter policy according to 3rd hand info. UHC insurance, no idea of the details/costs.

I think you could probably hold about any base pretty quickly with all the attrition, and I don't think you'll see more than a very few West folks come to the right seat on the East coast. Who knows about the trips? All I'm certain of is that I wouldn't be going back to my wonderful QOL on MetroJet with 26 hr 4-days, commutable both ends, most often with 16 hour overnites in BOS, LGA, MCO, FLL, etc that often consisted of happy flt and cabin crews RnRing together at the local establishments!

 

[Swaayze]

Be at peace, Brother!

That's the quest my friend. Trying hard...

 

[FurloughedAgain]

Thanks Swaayze,

Appreciate the info. I'm trying to be more openminded about this decision. Looking at the price of homes near Charlotte and Boston (the only two domiciles i'd be interested in). Trying to make this a cost-neutral decision.

 

[MK82Man]

Little Duece -- any word on what the drop was in today's recall class, 18 June. Did everyone show? I'm pretty sure you had planned on being there? Folks will appreciate the info.

 

[LittleDeuce]

Today's Recall Class

Little Duece -- any word on what the drop was in today's recall class, 18 June. Did everyone show? I'm pretty sure you had planned on being there? Folks will appreciate the info.

Today there were 7 A-330 PHL; 9 B-767 PHL, 5 International and 4 Domestic and 1 B-737 in the June 18 recall class. I think I heard 1 person did not show but I'm not sure. I was busy preparing for an SPV tomorrow.

This was the first class on the 07-04 bid.

 

[AppBrookie]

Before my furlough(3/02), there was a retirement calculator someone had on a personal website, You plugged in your DOH, DOB and it gave your seniority each year until retirement. Does this site still exist?? and with new data from the merger?? Woulda finished w/ a single digit #(no joke), just for entertainment would love to see the numbers now.

 

[FLYLOW22]

Before my furlough(3/02), there was a retirement calculator someone had on a personal website, You plugged in your DOH, DOB and it gave your seniority each year until retirement. Does this site still exist?? and with new data from the merger?? Woulda finished w/ a single digit #(no joke), just for entertainment would love to see the numbers now.

Careful!!

The last time I used that calculator US furloughed almost 2,000 and entered BK.

It's cursed!

 

[Crzipilot]

Don't think the calculator has been updated, but an individual on the AAA site, did create a spreadsheet that would show you the same info, plus some more, with the combined list. give me a range of class dates, or something and I can tell ya...

 

[sonny320]

For those of you following recalls going back to UsAirways. The June 18 recall class had a total of 20. Just heard that the aircraft breakdown for the next class (June 25) is 4 737's, 3 AB320's, 7 757's, not sure if the 757's are domestic or international.

 

[timmay]

Contact number

Hey guys could someone pm me a phone number that handles recalls. The guy I fly with got a call from someone at U but the message was garbled and he couldnt get the number. He thinks it was 412-747-????. Thanks in advance.

 

[Swaayze]

Timmay, check PMs

 

[Swaayze]

Don't think the calculator has been updated, but an individual on the AAA site, did create a spreadsheet that would show you the same info, plus some more, with the combined list. give me a range of class dates, or something and I can tell ya...

How's it look for:

DOH 7/99
Seniority 4115


Thanks

 

[Swaayze]

Thanks Swaayze,

Appreciate the info. I'm trying to be more openminded about this decision. Looking at the price of homes near Charlotte and Boston (the only two domiciles i'd be interested in). Trying to make this a cost-neutral decision.

As if I'm one to give advice, considering I can't seem to decide my way out of a paper bag lately:

Don't forget that the "costs" are not all monetary!

Thanks for the other info via email BTW.

Happy deciding, and good luck.

 

[FurloughedAgain]

Hey, i'm with you. My decision making skills stink.

If I had returned from furlough at at AirTran in January 99 instead of going to USAir, I can't imagine how senior I would be right now.

Believe me. If it wasn't for the cake schedule I have here, this decision would be much tougher. But I really enjoy watching my baby-boy grow up. 4 days on (probably 5 with a commute) 3 days off is a whole lot of time away from home. At least here i'll be home for birthdays, Christmas, baseball games, etc...

That being said... I think I might <gasp> have a touch of shiny-jet-syndrome. Think the doc can give me some penicillin or something for that?

 

[cactusboy53]

Furloughed;
Based on the replies on this web and perhaps the family history with U, it sounds like you may be having second thoughts.

My only advise is follow your heart. Going to work each day happy is worth its weight in gold (Don't tell Parker I said that).

That said, the new US Airways could be a very interesting place to work. There is some new metal and replacement metal on its way. There have been some teasers about new international destinations, and the age 60 issue is still in limbo (for how long?). There is also talk about new hires.

Toss the coin, and I'll join you in PHL or CLT .

 

[FurloughedAgain]

If it's Philly I dont think you'll see me there. Being based there is pretty much a non-starter for me. Flying into Philly can be frustrating. Commuting to Philly sounds like a formula for a heart-attack.

I dont want to drag this thread on indefinitely, but I would like to see it remain active as people start to get the "take it or leave it" letter. Discussing how others made their decisions will likely help me make mine when the time comes.

I think i'll miss the bullet on this bid... but I can't imagine I have too many more months to decide.

How does a Jan 99 guy look on that retirement spreadsheet anyway?

 

[johnsonrod]

What are the most common aircraft types being offered to returning furloughees? What are the odds of getting an A319/20/21 for a furloughee? I'm sorry but those East Coast 737-300/400s are looking pretty archaic and dilapidated...

 

[vetrider]

What are the most common aircraft types being offered to returning furloughees? What are the odds of getting an A319/20/21 for a furloughee? I'm sorry but those East Coast 737-300/400s are looking pretty archaic and dilapidated...

Thats ok, we've got a bunch of new foam airplanes on order.

 

[AppBrookie]

Hey Furloughed Again,

I think I was seated in the row behind you on the 18th of Jan. What was a single digit for me is now just under 300 at age 60. Something kinda hard to let fall by the wayside!!!
My question is how much of a "Geographical Fence" do we have helping out the east side....meaning...if you live in the West how many will make there way to CLT, PHL(ugh!!!!) over the years???

 

[Swaayze]

Yep FA is definitely fighting the SJS on this one, I can tell.

BTW FA, I got your penicillan: Next 4 day I do I'll call you at the start and end of each leg, at wake up and bed times too. Then you just eat McDonalds, Pizza Hut, and Vending Machine grub for 4 days; maybe sleep on the couch one night, the guest room the next, and on the floor night 3 to simulate a Mexico overnight (yes they have beds but they like 'em firm).

If you have much fun and want to do it again the following week then you accept recall. Simple.

 

[typhoonpilot]

My question is how much of a "Geographical Fence" do we have helping out the east side....meaning...if you live in the West how many will make there way to CLT, PHL(ugh!!!!) over the years???

If they can hold Captain in the east before a west base you can bet there will be plenty of movement.

A lot of guys from PSA sold their houses and moved to the east coast after USAir bought PSA. Granted USAir systematically destroyed the PSA routes and bases, but a lot of that movement would probably have happened anyway.

A lot of the senior AWA guys will bid and fly international just as soon as they can.

If you think there is a geographical fence that is going to prevent a pilot's natural desire for bigger, faster, higher paying equipment you are going to be in for a big surprise.



Typhoonpilot