US Airways Contract Projections

[Turtle21]

Will they staff the 6 open 737 FO positions in PHL? 7 lines of flying and 22 FO's leaves 15 guys on reserve. Hope they do, I like flying once a month (or less, that's fine with me too).

I'm guessing some of the high ratio of FOs to Capt is training float since most everyone on it as an FO is either a new hire inbound or on it now and bidding up to better things.. ie. lots of musical chairs cycling through the school house over the next year.

 

[Green]

This latest bid had 29 retirements. A relatively low number compared to what's coming. Of those retirements, 25 were Captains and only 4 F/O's...

Also this bid has 96 Captain vacancies (only 9 in the 190). So those old F/O's are all upgrading. And the F/O's right behind them are moving into the 75/76 and the 330 positions. All those F/O positions pay more than any West equipment. So almost 100 new Captains and massive movement into the widebodies... That's just on ONE bid! Many more bids to come soon, probably with even greater movement...

So I think we are ok with separate ops... Even Dave Odell is on the Airbus in DCA with over 179 pilots below him company wide. Add to that the 133 un-filled positions on this bid and he will have 312 pilots below him by March. He missed the 767 by 44 numbers. The next bid could see him flying to Europe in a 767, something not available to him in PHX. And that is on a 2008 DOH. I'm sure he would like a DOH seniority list to move him up to a 2005 DOH. But ya never know...

I think what really shocks people is the abysmal captain pay. Who cares if you upgrade when you only make 124/hr under a terrible contract with no end in sight? Are you better off as number 1 on the US Airways seniority list or number 2,500 at Fedex?

If Dave wants to go to Europe he's probably better off non revving there than flying a clapped out 767 with a nasty old crew in the back. Bragging about your movement on the east side is like bragging about having the biggest lot in the trailer park.

 

[Turtle21]

I think what really shocks people is the abysmal captain pay. Who cares if you upgrade when you only make 124/hr under a terrible contract with no end in sight? Are you better off as number 1 on the US Airways seniority list or number 2,500 at Fedex?

If Dave wants to go to Europe he's probably better off non revving there than flying a clapped out 767 with a nasty old crew in the back. Bragging about your movement on the east side is like bragging about having the biggest lot in the trailer park.

Yeah, the grapes are sour here, nobody would want them.

Strange thing is somehow FedEx hasn't hired all the pilots that are looking for a job. No shortage of highly experienced pilots showing up to class, and they are happy to be here.

In this industry there is no sense in waiting to be happy until you are living the dream you hope/expect your job to become.

Cheers

 

[The Drizzle]

Hint: anyone under 50yrs of age at the USEast subsidiary of AWA. They will find that the west will have a very long memory.

So essentially you are threatening the new-hires? You plan on treating us as pettily as you've felt you've been treated? "My wife from my arranged marriage is a bitch, so I beat my children." Sweet bro, maybe the east and west have a lot in common after all.

 

[LaGarbage Man]

So essentially you are threatening the new-hires? You plan on treating us as pettily as you've felt you've been treated? "My wife from my arranged marriage is a bitch, so I beat my children." Sweet bro, maybe the east and west have a lot in common after all.

Once again I find myself agreeing Drizzle. Bringupthebird is the first and so far only Westie to earn my Azz Hat designation. Either he is unaware of the existence of a third list and the fact that returning west furloughs are also on this list. (doubtful) Or the more likely reality that he is a bitter old man who speaks in generalizations and blanket threats. He definitely does not seem to care that he is alienating the only voting block that could help with the majority problem the west is having. I am pretty sure no one on the property wants off of LOA93 rates more than the 3rd list who are stuck at year 4 and below rates. He would do the West pilot group a big favor by STFU and let the more rational (Cactus Boy for example ) do the posting.

 

[buxflyr]

For those who have been hired in the last 1 - 2 years at US Airways... Are you happy?

 

[ALGFLYR]

For those who have been hired in the last 1 - 2 years at US Airways... Are you happy?

I certainly can't answer for them, but I would venture to say most are happy. The pay could always be better, and it will happen eventually. Regardless of what it seems like it may be on the line from this website, I doubt they hear much of anything about the East/West battle unless they come on here on an overnight.

 

[The Drizzle]

I certainly can't answer for them, but I would venture to say most are happy. The pay could always be better, and it will happen eventually. Regardless of what it seems like it may be on the line from this website, I doubt they hear much of anything about the East/West battle unless they come on here on an overnight.

Agreed. I've only been here a few months, the pay is best qualified as "********************." That said, it's the best job I've had. And when I do rarely fly everybody I work with is either a class act, hilarious, or both. The only time I've heard the east-west stuff come up was when some JBLU ****************************** brought it up on the jumpseat and started talking about his take-home pay on the Airbus as it compared to my captain's.

 

[LaGarbage Man]

Yes other than the pay I am happy with my choice. It's true you do not hear much of the East vrs West crap while out on the road. The few times it has come up I explain it this way. I think most third lister folks are going to vote for what ever gets them to a livable wage the quickest. If it contains the Nic then the East is pissed but I still get paid. If it contains DOH the West is pissed but I still get paid. Are you starting to see a trend here? We are on the bottom of the list no matter what so don't bother trying to drag us into your mess. I just explain my view as tactfully as possible. Everyone I have had to explain my position to appears to understand completely and that is the end of it. On to the next subject which usually revolves around where we are going to go to eat. I do not offer my opinion on who I think is right or wrong. I was not involved in getting these two groups to where they are now and my opinion brings nothing constructive to their argument so it remains mine. The only time I may regret my decision to hire on with Airways is when I come on to FI and watch yet another thread degenerate to the usual circle jerk that they all inevitably turn into.

 

[dollacrackho]

Other than captains calling me dumb for coming here its been good. If this stalemate continues and the pay stays in the toilet I might recant that in a few years. Oh and also my flying skillz are going down the tube.

 

[DorkProp]

I'm very happy I made the move as well. The company is much better-run than the regional I left. The training is top-notch. The instructors treat you like a customer. Reserve is not so bad if you can hold long-call as a commuter. Every captain has been fantastic. When I mention that I'm a new-hire they seem genuinely thrilled that I am here. They are friendly and patient on the days I take a stupid-pill. I feel good about the future here, with seniority-advancement already happening. In nine months I have 100 pilots below me, I can easily hold long-call reserve, and I'm only 100 numbers away from the 767 if I wished to go that route. When my pay finally comes up to industry-standard, this will be a dream job.

 

[Flybywire44]

I spoke with a US Airways mainline new-hire this morning—he was unbelievably happy and excited about his career at LCC merger or not.

This pilot has been at US Airways for two months and he will be 50% up the E190 FO list by March.

Amazing.

 

[Fly-By-Cable]

Do any of you new hires plan on putting in at delta, fedex, united? Or is the mentality primarily to ride it out?

 

[The Drizzle]

Do any of you new hires plan on putting in at delta, fedex, united? Or is the mentality primarily to ride it out?

This is all anecdotal, but the prevailing opinion seems to be "hope for the best, prepare for the worst." I keep my apps updated at DL, FedEx, and United but I'd rather stay here for simplicity's sake.

 

[cbrown1]

Do any of you new hires plan on putting in at delta, fedex, united? Or is the mentality primarily to ride it out?

If there is a merger with American then new combined airline will be the biggest and probably the most profitable and I expect pay to be at number one or near number one.

If it doesn't happen, there is no airline in the US where a majority of the pilot group will retire as fast as Us air.

 

[Turtle21]

Anecdotal info.. Over the last 12 months our Bid Announcements show 3 FOs resigned. No info if they were all newhires or why they left.

 

[Fly-By-Cable]

It would definitely be preferable to not have to make a second move, im just thinking strickly in terms of income loss. I recently spoke with a 99 hire at US who said he is applying to delta as soon as they open the window. Might be something that management isnt expecting if his feeling as shared by many.

 

[Bringupthebird]

Any prospective new-hire should carefully look over the MOU to determine whether or not they will have any furlough protection before leaving their higher paying regional job.

Do you really want to go over the fiscal log flume in a log built by USAPA?

 

[Deadalus]

The west already flies 24% of east flying. So I guess that provision is checked...
Must suck sitting on the sidelines watching the east recapture its attrition.. Whadda ya say westies..Lets get a joint CBA, your DFR suit will then be ripe, then you guys/gals have a shot at winning the mystical award called Nic.
Things are moving quite fast. In two years there will be low hanging fruit for EVERYONE!! Lets ger er done..
..If not, just remember that time is on OUR side..

You just don't get it do you. It doesn't matter what you and the west decide. Management isn't going to be complicit in you're stupid plan. What are you going to do? Get released to strike? What are you going to say? We need to strike because management won't let us renegotiate, because they'll get sued and lose? Go ahead, we'll be LOAO. Enjoy LOA93, you're going to be on it for a loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong time.

 

[cactusboy53]

Really? Is it entertaining? To me its boring, embarrassing and an example of greedy retards who are too dumb to negotiate with each other.

?? We (both pilot groups & the company) agreed to a TA & the merger process lined out in ALPA merger policy. The AAA MEC chose Geo. Nicolau as the mediator / arbitrator. He delivered the seniority list following testimony & law. That list is final and binding on all parties. Changing the union name to evade said seniority list is legally, morally & ethically wrong.

How & why should the PHX base pilots "negotiate" with people that have no integrity. How do we now trust the promise that the next agreement will be honored vs. the last agreement? What would be "dumb" is to negotiate with terrorists.

Sorry. Not buying. The Nicolau seniority list is the middle ground. It is the compromise. It IS the only legal seniority list that is sitting on Dug's desk.

We'll wait for the courts to make the final judgement (since LCC mangagement is incapable of actual leadership with regard to this subject matter). USAPA should IMMEDIATELY make Dug accept the DOH (or DOH-lite) seniority list with a new contract. Then we can move this along to the second DFR lawsuit.

Let's get this train out of the station and move on!