US Air 190's

[last call]

Anyone know who the bid was or is awarded to for the 25 190's.
Did CHQ get them?

 

[MAX CON]

NO... Well not yet, but I still think mainline should fly them. I think things might change here soon after the dust sets with AW/US merger.

Mgmt wants some type of LOA from the RP pilot group(CHQ master list). So when or if it falls to the regional group they have a jump on the E190 at least.

I'm not aware of a deadline for awarding the 25 E190's.

 

[iflyhigh]

To All:

For those curious about the 190's at for USAir. Rumor is that AWA union is not planning on giving in on these aircraft. They are trying their hardest to keep these at mainline.

Time will tell.

 

[Superpilot92]

To All:

For those curious about the 190's at for USAir. Rumor is that AWA union is not planning on giving in on these aircraft. They are trying their hardest to keep these at mainline.

Time will tell.

Good keep them away from the regionals the 170 has done enough damage.

 

[ASH]

C'mon super pilot. Coex would take them in a second if CO offered them. Get off yer high horse.

 

[3blade]

Good keep them away from the regionals the 170 has done enough damage.

what about the Avro? or the CRJ700/900, why do people keep complaining about the 170? it makes no sense, therefore I believe its jealousy, and for really stupid reasons so stop you're whining.

 

[surfnfly]

Time to put your bibs away and stop drooling crap-taco boys and girls AWA MEC isn't gonna let you have 190's and maybe not even the 170's if things work out.

 

[Wheres the van?]

The Awa union is not giving in on the E190? What the devil are those CRJ 900 I see tooling around in AmWest colors,I think that horse bolted along time ago.

Dont worry E190 they only hate you cause your good looking!

 

[DiverDriver]

So what about AWACs 17 146s? (ok, we don't have that many anymore as they are being retired) We've been flying 100 seaters for how long? No one cried about it so far. Are we not a regional? Is anyone a regional anymore?

 

[KeroseneSnorter]

If the 190's end up at regionals, ALL of you, and I do mean ALL of you, have advanced as far as you will ever go in your careers pay wise. The 190 is in effect a 737-200. Once something of that size is flying for contract carriers at RJ rates there will not be any mainlines left. Even somebody like SWA would eventually end up at RJ rates.

Can you imagine the chaos caused by 10 different contract carriers all flying mainline sized aircraft bidding and underbidding each other for routes?

Not pretty. But exactly what managment wants to finish off "Airline Pilot" as a good paying career. Most bus drivers in big cities already make more than Mr. RJ Pilot.

 

[KeroseneSnorter]

So what about AWACs 17 146s? (ok, we don't have that many anymore as they are being retired) We've been flying 100 seaters for how long? No one cried about it so far. Are we not a regional? Is anyone a regional anymore?

The 146 is a 4 engine expensive turd compared to the new generation of "RJ" coming out. Additionally, are you guys not limited to 76 or so seats on that thing?

 

[Doug Parker]

The Awa union is not giving in on the E190? What the devil are those CRJ 900 I see tooling around in AmWest colors,I think that horse bolted along time ago.

I believe that the 900s deal happened before the latest AWA contract.

 

[surfnfly]

AWA current contract does not allow E-190 or Bombardier C series aircraft at other than mainline. The CRJ900's were allowed in a one time deal and no more of them are allowed either. Some of you regional guys just want bigger and bigger planes only problem the wages suck and that is 1 less mainline job available. If you love the sub standard wages and work rules keep lowering the bar pretty soon taxi drivers will make more than us if they don't already.

 

[DiverDriver]

The 146 is a 4 engine expensive turd compared to the new generation of "RJ" coming out. Additionally, are you guys not limited to 76 or so seats on that thing?

Nope. No limits. Which is why I ask the question why no one has complained so far about it at a "regional" airline. Sure, the 146 is around to do ASE but it's not the only thing it has done. Yes, we call it the 4 engine road block but the discussion about how many seats an aircraft has to determine whether it should be at mainline or not seems to have forgotten about these aircraft. So... should they have been at UAL all along? If so, why did no one protest? If AWAC gets 190s will we all be the next "bottom feeder" of the industry?

 

[KeroseneSnorter]

Nope. No limits. Which is why I ask the question why no one has complained so far about it at a "regional" airline. Sure, the 146 is around to do ASE but it's not the only thing it has done. Yes, we call it the 4 engine road block but the discussion about how many seats an aircraft has to determine whether it should be at mainline or not seems to have forgotten about these aircraft. So... should they have been at UAL all along? If so, why did no one protest? If AWAC gets 190s will we all be the next "bottom feeder" of the industry?

USAir used to operate 146's on the mainline(ex-PSA birds), scope stopped them from operating at regionals. Economics made them unprofitable at the mainline due to high operating cost. Other 146 operators in the past were limited on how many seats they were allowed to install under contract colors.

The 146 was no real threat since it was such a turd, the 190's and similar are very different in cost and the fact that so many people seem to see it as an RJ.

As I said a while back, just because it is built by Embraier or Bombardier does not mean it is an RJ. Both Boeing and Douglas started by building regional planes, but that does not mean that an MD-11 or 747 is an RJ!