iflyhigh said:To All:
For those curious about the 190's at for USAir. Rumor is that AWA union is not planning on giving in on these aircraft. They are trying their hardest to keep these at mainline.
Time will tell.
Superpilot92 said:Good keep them away from the regionals the 170 has done enough damage.
DiverDriver said:So what about AWACs 17 146s? (ok, we don't have that many anymore as they are being retired) We've been flying 100 seaters for how long? No one cried about it so far. Are we not a regional? Is anyone a regional anymore?
KeroseneSnorter said:The 146 is a 4 engine expensive turd compared to the new generation of "RJ" coming out. Additionally, are you guys not limited to 76 or so seats on that thing?
DiverDriver said:Nope. No limits. Which is why I ask the question why no one has complained so far about it at a "regional" airline. Sure, the 146 is around to do ASE but it's not the only thing it has done. Yes, we call it the 4 engine road block but the discussion about how many seats an aircraft has to determine whether it should be at mainline or not seems to have forgotten about these aircraft. So... should they have been at UAL all along? If so, why did no one protest? If AWAC gets 190s will we all be the next "bottom feeder" of the industry?
KeroseneSnorter said:USAir used to operate 146's on the mainline(ex-PSA birds), scope stopped them from operating at regionals. Economics made them unprofitable at the mainline due to high operating cost. Other 146 operators in the past were limited on how many seats they were allowed to install under contract colors.
The 146 was no real threat since it was such a turd, the 190's and similar are very different in cost and the fact that so many people seem to see it as an RJ.
As I said a while back, just because it is built by Embraier or Bombardier does not mean it is an RJ. Both Boeing and Douglas started by building regional planes, but that does not mean that an MD-11 or 747 is an RJ!
Wheres the van? said:The Awa union is not giving in on the E190? What the devil are those CRJ 900 I see tooling around in AmWest colors,I think that horse bolted along time ago.
Dont worry E190 they only hate you cause your good looking!
DiverDriver said:Wait, the discussion has been about number of seats up to this point. Not whether the plane was sexy or not. The 146 has been operating with 100 seats at AWAC for years. No one complained. We had 17 of them at one point. No one complained. Now one company may get 25 90 seaters (just 8 more hulls than AWAC has 146s) and now it's a threat? Sorry, I don't understand and I'm just trying to follow the logic. I'm not a smart man.
I'm not saying you are wrong about 190s should be at mainline. I just seem to see an inconsistency in the arguements up to this point about number of seats flown by a regional.
So, what should happen if AWAC does announce that we are getting 190s?
KeroseneSnorter said:Thats what I am talking about, the 146 was an expensive turd when it was new, No company in their right mind would try to operate 100+ of them, so it really was never a threat. That is why the few 146's running around continued for a few years, Most carriers had scope provisions against anything the size of the 146 though. AWAC was very much the rarity when it came to that sized airplane, and I am pretty sure you were limited to the number you were allowed to operate. Not being United, I cannot be sure but I think you were scoped out of any further 146's prior to their BK.
And no it is not the fault of the Regional pilot, Unfortunatly you are the ones that will suffer an entire career of crap wages because of the RJ. Commuters for crap wages was a stepping stone, Regionals for crap wages is now a career....especially if 190 sized airplanes operate as "RJ's"