UPS Poolies and futre pilots

[BIGBROWNDC8]

Its great news to hear that we are going to be hiring pilots in the near future... As most of you know, Hq-Atl makes all the decisions and all the rest of us are kept in the cold until we see a press release.

If any of the poolies get a call regarding their status in the pool or if anyone else gets invited in for an interivew, It would be a big help to give a quick reply here to keep everyone informed....

Thanks

 

[Rhoid]

I've heard that flightops HR will require all poolies to reinterview.

 

[767-300ER]

UPS HR today called a friend of mine who is in the pool.

Yup, requiring a re-interview. They ran down the list of their minimums and confirmed that he still met them.

 

[sgu]

good sign

UPS HR today called a friend of mine who is in the pool.

Yup, requiring a re-interview. They ran down the list of their minimums and confirmed that he still met them.

At least they are moving forward quickly to set up the interviews on a saturday no less. Good luck to the poolies.

 

[LGAPilot]

Called!

UPS left a message for me on Saturday at 3pm. Unfortunately, I was flying.

Will have to call back Monday.

Didn't say if it was to re-interview or not...just to please call back.


LGAPilot

 

[flybrowntails]

LGA:

great news to hear. i had heard they were going to reinterview. best of luck--

fbt

 

[Heavy Set]

Great news about hiring. What is the probability of going straight to the FE panel vs. going to the right seat of a 727 or 757? I read somewhere that a few lucky newhires in the recent past went straight into the 757. So, what is the percentage likelihood of a newhire skipping the panel - 25-30%? If there were FO slots available, how would those be distributed - by age/seniority?

 

[UPSer]

Great news about hiring. What is the probability of going straight to the FE panel vs. going to the right seat of a 727 or 757? I read somewhere that a few lucky newhires in the recent past went straight into the 757. So, what is the percentage likelihood of a newhire skipping the panel - 25-30%? If there were FO slots available, how would those be distributed - by age/seniority?

If I'm not mistaken they were placed by previous experience, not by age or seniority. When you show up for first day of indoc, you are already assigned to a specific fleet and you don't know ahead of time what that fleet will be.

If you are interested in UPS, your attitude of not wanting to be on the panel is very arrogant. This wave of hiring along with FedEx's and SWA's much longer period of hiring will be ultra competitive for the available slots and you should be esctatic at just getting the job, not bitching that you didn't get a window seat right at the onset. Besides the direct hire F/O's will be on reserve much longer, and will actually go backwards in seniority as their senior F/E classmates upgrade in the future. The pays the same the first year anyway, so who cares what seat it is?

 

[Falconjet]

UPSer: might want to try some decaf! I don't think there was anything wrong with the question, Heavy Set might not even be trying to get on with you guys. Its a fair question considering that some in the past were able to avoid the back of the 72, (if that is indeed the case) and a prospective employee might just be curious as to what their chances were to go straight to the right seat of a more modern aircraft, even if it meant being more junior in the seat.

The other insight you gave as to why going to the right seat might not be the best deal in the long run was good, however, and something for a new hire to think about. If there was a seniority based bid for the available seats for the new hires it might again be something a prospective new hire might want to know.

Anyway, I think its great that you guys are going to hire again and I also hope that your contract gets resolved soon with some more hiring down the road to go with it.

FJ

 

[UPSer]

UPSer: might want to try some decaf! I don't think there was anything wrong with the question, Heavy Set might not even be trying to get on with you guys. Its a fair question considering that some in the past were able to avoid the back of the 72, (if that is indeed the case) and a prospective employee might just be curious as to what their chances were to go straight to the right seat of a more modern aircraft, even if it meant being more junior in the seat.

The other insight you gave as to why going to the right seat might not be the best deal in the long run was good, however, and something for a new hire to think about. If there was a seniority based bid for the available seats for the new hires it might again be something a prospective new hire might want to know.

Anyway, I think its great that you guys are going to hire again and I also hope that your contract gets resolved soon with some more hiring down the road to go with it.

FJ

I wasn't trying to be an ass or anything like that, but considering this guys profile that he's out of work and is on other threads inquiring about jobs, it seems to me that he's interested in UPS. He put me off by his asking first and only about hiring into the right seat, like he would be interested only if they'd hire him into the right seat.

 

[capt. megadeth]

I will be the **CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED** FA for the FE, FO and Capt. if it means getting a job at UPS....I'll wait for my upgrade

 

[BIGBROWNDC8]

Just speculation,
I heard the re-interviews is really just a formallity of getting back in touch with the Poolies and seeing who is still qualified, current, and wants a job with UPS. If this is wrong, let me know...

About the issue of asking for a direct right seat instead of the panel, its a touchy subject around here. "From what I understand" UPS did put some pilots directly into the right seat around the summer of 01, then it came to a direct halt because there was no bid put out to the others on the senority list to upgrade... It was a backdoor attempt by UPS to cut training cost that the IPA put a stop to. All those that were hired into the right seat were soon placed into the backseat.

The second reason is this... Im not complaining, Yes Im happy to have a job and feel very lucky to not be furloughed. Since I and many other pilots have gotten hired here, all we have done is move backwards and loose senority. With no hiring for over 3 years, a shrinking number of pilots and record growth internationaly has led to many pilots having very poor quality of life (not to mention very low pay). No, we were not furloughed (but they threatened to furlough us) but being on the bottom of the senority list for the last 3-4 years as a engineer with 80% of the Capt retiring coming to the backseat as FE's and taking all the bidable lines except reserve has not been the best of all situations. Yes its sounds like Im wineing (and I am...LOL) Many of us feel like its finally our time to upgrade and let all the lucky others who get hired here over the next year tow the FE line... If you get a upgrade, great, but take your number and get in line...

We are all very happy to see anyone and everyone get hired here, WELCOME ABOARD!!! Lets hope UPS can hire 100 pilots without screwing it up...

BIGBROWNDC8

 

[Goose17]

reinterview?

Why does UPS require a reinterview of the poolies? Didn't they already pass the interview to get into the pool? How long has it been for them? Does a successful interview expire?

Just curious as this was a big question of many FedEx poolies over the last couple years. FedEx's concept of the pool is; if you pass the interview, you have a job, it is just a matter of when. Some guys sat in the pool for upwards of a couple years during our recent dry spell, but are in class or on the line now.

Goose17

 

[UPSer]

Why does UPS require a reinterview of the poolies? Didn't they already pass the interview to get into the pool? How long has it been for them? Does a successful interview expire?

Just curious as this was a big question of many FedEx poolies over the last couple years. FedEx's concept of the pool is; if you pass the interview, you have a job, it is just a matter of when. Some guys sat in the pool for upwards of a couple years during our recent dry spell, but are in class or on the line now.



Goose17

My guess on the reinterview is since it's been over three years that the poolies have been swimming, UPS wants to make sure that they are still the same person that they interviewed previously, meaning making sure that they haven't done anything in the past three years that would now disqualify them from a job here.

Our pool has always been a competitive pool, not a first in, first out pool like some other carriers. They "grade" your interview and then fill available new hire classes with the people that scored the highest. I have talked to crewmembers that were in the pool for a couple of years or more before getting the call and others that were offered a class date during the interview.

 

[B-atch]

UPS interview process?

Any word on what the interview process will be like at UPS. New format old format??

 

[BIGBROWNDC8]

What UPSer said is correct, but another reason might be that most of the players involved with hiring pilots here 3 years ago have changed since the last time we hired. Sure there might be one or two that are the same, but most (even starting at the top with the head of pilot recruitment, Phil Donahue) have been replaced with new people. Im not saying its right, but maybe they (the new people) want to put their stamp on who gets hired. Its seems to be part of the culture here. Everyone is trying to make a name for themselves so they too can move "Up" the ladder... Just a theory...

Just to repeat what I said before, I heard the "Re-interview" was just to get "Re-aquainted" with the poolie. not to ask them why they want to work at UPS again, and fly the sim... I may be wrong...

 

[tim1wolf]

Not sure of their intentions, but when called, I was told my interview time and my sim time. Maybe chance, but the sim comes firsst, probably in the A300 sim.

 

[UPSer]

Not sure of their intentions, but when called, I was told my interview time and my sim time. Maybe chance, but the sim comes firsst, probably in the A300 sim.

Uh Oh, whatever you do, DO NOT engage the autopilot. You are much better off taking your chances hand flying the croissant cruiser.

 

[hyeflyin]

being competitive

Besides having the required minimums, is there anything else that UPS looks for in a candidate. Such as being a checkairmen, sim instructor, or being part of a interview team. Also, I have heard that UPS likes to see if there candidates have performed any volunteer service. Any truth to that? Just trying to figure out how to competitive without am internal LOR. Any info would be appreciated. Thanks

 

[Brownshoe]

Just speculation,
I heard the re-interviews is really just a formallity of getting back in touch with the Poolies and seeing who is still qualified, current, and wants a job with UPS. If this is wrong, let me know...

About the issue of asking for a direct right seat instead of the panel, its a touchy subject around here. "From what I understand" UPS did put some pilots directly into the right seat around the summer of 01, then it came to a direct halt because there was no bid put out to the others on the senority list to upgrade... It was a backdoor attempt by UPS to cut training cost that the IPA put a stop to. All those that were hired into the right seat were soon placed into the backseat.

The second reason is this... Im not complaining, Yes Im happy to have a job and feel very lucky to not be furloughed. Since I and many other pilots have gotten hired here, all we have done is move backwards and loose senority. With no hiring for over 3 years, a shrinking number of pilots and record growth internationaly has led to many pilots having very poor quality of life (not to mention very low pay). No, we were not furloughed (but they threatened to furlough us) but being on the bottom of the senority list for the last 3-4 years as a engineer with 80% of the Capt retiring coming to the backseat as FE's and taking all the bidable lines except reserve has not been the best of all situations. Yes its sounds like Im wineing (and I am...LOL) Many of us feel like its finally our time to upgrade and let all the lucky others who get hired here over the next year tow the FE line... If you get a upgrade, great, but take your number and get in line...

We are all very happy to see anyone and everyone get hired here, WELCOME ABOARD!!! Lets hope UPS can hire 100 pilots without screwing it up...

BIGBROWNDC8

Here's how it went for me as a new hire in the summer of '01.

There where 36 in the class with 3 of the 36 going straight into managment.

On day 1 we were told that there were going to be 15 F/O slots on the 75. 4 747 F/E slots and the rest would go to the 727 or DC-8. Based on class senority we were asked to select F/O or F/E. If you selected F/O the company selected your domicile( SDF, SDF INT, or MIA). If you selected F/E you got to pick your aircraft preference. "From what I understand" the F/O slots to new hires were the result of unfilled vacancies from a previously posted bid.

I spent a little over a year in the right seat of the 757 and was then displaced to the panel on the 747. Spent a year on the whale and then displaced to the the 8 panel. Just awarded a bid back to the right seat of the 75/76. I've heard that by the middle of next year all F/E seats will be filled by age 60+ guys. If thats the case then new hires could expect a window seat.
But, if they start pulling airplanes out of the desert all bets are off.

Working for Brown has its issues but I'm pretty confident that its my last flying job. Good luck to all trying to open the door.