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We are tremendously overstaffed!! There are scores perhaps hundreds of pilots who have averaged less than 100 hours a year over the last 10 years at UPS. UPS has mismanaged its crew force and is finally starting to realize it. They don't need the reserve coverage we have and they are in the process of allocating resources correctly.

Thankfully the this contract fixed the FO pay rather than fatten the wallets if retirees like JM wanted. We will spend a lot longer on the FO pay scale but at least the pay is good. JM actually wanted to increase the retirement pay of already retired pilots!!
 
L'il J.Seinfeld said:
We are tremendously overstaffed!! There are scores perhaps hundreds of pilots who have averaged less than 100 hours a year over the last 10 years at UPS. UPS has mismanaged its crew force and is finally starting to realize it. They don't need the reserve coverage we have and they are in the process of allocating resources correctly.

Thankfully the this contract fixed the FO pay rather than fatten the wallets if retirees like JM wanted. We will spend a lot longer on the FO pay scale but at least the pay is good. JM actually wanted to increase the retirement pay of already retired pilots!!
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L'il J,

You're starting to sound like management. :laugh: Personaly, I don't think that we are overstaffed, but more like the resources (us pilots) are just staffed in the wrong places. Certain fleets have reserve coverage that hardly gets touched, and then some that fly continuously.

You also state that certain pilots fly only 100 hrs a year. Again, if you are on a fleet that doesn't fly that much i.e. the -8, you won't get that much time. Pilots on reserve usually don't get large yearly numbers. That is why we are on reserve. We cover the sickcalls and a/c breakdowns. Ask the MD11 reserve crews, both CA and FO how much they are flying. A300 crews fly alot as well. Just my 2 cents...
 
Tomct said:
If they were smart...they would just pay the Old FE's their Captains pay, but leave them in the side-saddle. It is going to waste so much time and money that it is not even funny. And for what? So someone can sit in the left seat for MAYBE 3-5yrs? Leave them sideways and give them Captain pay and quit screwing around with all of the JMng. Get the guys out of the pool and get on with the hiring!!
NUF SAID!!!:cool: Discuss.....
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What would you do if you were UPS? I for one don't they they want to pay guys on the panel Capt's pay to have them sit there for years and years while simultaneously paying another guy as Capt who actually sits in the left seat to do the flying (it's like getting a half priced Capt - they get rid on one F/E and gain one CA).
I think the company is going to get them (over 60 guys) to sh-t or get off the pot. By giving them only ANC (for the most part) and (making) them go to training the company will force them to play their hand (move up or possibly get retired / trained on the DC8 panel). So an over 60 guy goes to training, who probably lives in SDF, who has to commute to ANC to fly into Asia for the next 5 years and then come back to a panel after ANOTHER training course. It appears they are going to up the pain threshold so much that the over 60 guys will die on the vine or retire. End result is no new guys needed, thinning out of the F/E ranks, and then actual retirement at age 65 (gets rid of the medical problems / sick call). In my opine they thought this one through at some levels (not all).
The next announcement will be retirement of the DC8s which will get rid of alot of F/E deadwood (in the companies mind) and save even more money.
 
BiffF15 said:
How does one find that type of information out? Is there someplace it's posted on our internal website? Any reason why they quit?
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I forget where that came out but the company is sure not going to brag about it. It may have been from the union meeting
 
L'il J.Seinfeld said:
We are tremendously overstaffed!! There are scores perhaps hundreds of pilots who have averaged less than 100 hours a year over the last 10 years at UPS. UPS has mismanaged its crew force and is finally starting to realize it. They don't need the reserve coverage we have and they are in the process of allocating resources correctly.

Thankfully the this contract fixed the FO pay rather than fatten the wallets if retirees like JM wanted. We will spend a lot longer on the FO pay scale but at least the pay is good. JM actually wanted to increase the retirement pay of already retired pilots!!
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Just another .02 - from the above mentioned MD11 reserve guy - I got 23 JA calls on a 19 day off stretch, then 14 on a 13 day off stretch. The comment about staffing in the right places.....

BTW, I just got bumped to the -400 in ANC, and am watching as 17 guys are now being displaced (realigned) to my old seat in SDF on the MD....

Wha.....??
 
L'il J.Seinfeld said:
We are tremendously overstaffed!! There are scores perhaps hundreds of pilots who have averaged less than 100 hours a year over the last 10 years at UPS. UPS has mismanaged its crew force and is finally starting to realize it. They don't need the reserve coverage we have and they are in the process of allocating resources correctly.
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Really? Do you believe that?

I doubt that you're senior enough to survive the "staffing model" that the company is proposing. Would you like to just volunteer for a furlough right now? Would you like to be one of the first to hit the street?

Whose side are you on dude? You don't sound like IPA to me.
 
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highsky said:
Really? Do you believe that?

I doubt that you're senior enough to survive the "staffing model" that the company is proposing. Would you like to just volunteer for a furlough right now? Would you like to be one of the first to hit the street?

Whose side are you on dude? You don't sound like IPA to me.
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I think there was little sarcasm in his post. ...and he's definitely in our side, let's calm down a little, ok? :erm:
 
AV80R said:
I think there was little sarcasm in his post. ...and he's definitely in our side, let's calm down a little, ok? :erm:
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Although he can speak for himself, I believe you're probably right; how could anyone say something so over-the-top without it being sarcastic. If so, my sarcasm radar must have failed, and I extend my apologies to you Lil J., my bro.

I've had a few cocktails. Sorry for the sensitivity/drama. Jeez, now I'm starting to sound like my Ex.

These are anxious times. Sorry.
 
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freightdawg said:
Just another .02 - from the above mentioned MD11 reserve guy - I got 23 JA calls on a 19 day off stretch, then 14 on a 13 day off stretch. The comment about staffing in the right places.....

BTW, I just got bumped to the -400 in ANC, and am watching as 17 guys are now being displaced (realigned) to my old seat in SDF on the MD....

Wha.....??
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Maybe an interesting thing with manning at ANC MD FO. I'm a probation guy--low on the list. In Oct/Nov I was called once or twice every day for JA (except one day)! In Dec/Jan/Feb/Mar, I've been called for JA a grand total of maybe 4 or 5 times. Staffing problem solved? There appears to be very little open time recently...
 

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