UPS or AirTran

[LittleLearBoy]

I would go with UPS. Yes, I am working at UPS for just a short time now. I have always tried to get on, and after a long road and longer swim, I did. When people tell me that they are a "poeple person" and they like to interact with the paxs. I have to sit back a laugh and ask, "when the heck did you have a pax hanging out with you up on the flight deck talking while enroute???" With the steel door between you and them how could you. I interact with people, they are called fellow pilots, ground personal, and the mechs.
I have always said............."bixes always pay top dollar" in both pilots and to ride on our planes.

 

[Hpilot]

Never end a sentence with a preposition. There are only 3 places better than where I am flying a CRJ 700. They are in order, FedEx, UPS and Southwest.

I'm guessing Horizon. If I lived in Portland I probably wouldn't consider leaving either.

 

[-9Capt]

getting my recall letter next month and Im going to use it as toilet paper and send it back to mother D in a UPS package with a note that says "what can brown do for you"?

That's pretty funny.

 

[Whine Lover]

"If you were at UPS and got your "license to fly people" would you go somewhere else?"

When I was a Freight Dog ( He said proudly ) the above question from Dumb-Azz Civilians was one of my favourite/most irritating.

Just thought I'd include it here as a little tongue-in-cheek humour for those of us who have been in the ranks of "The Order of Sleepless Knights".

Now, about sending "poopy paper" to Mother D...Don't you miss that Double-Breasted suit?


YKW

 

[capt. megadeth]

Night freight is night freight....Nuff' said.


The question is:

If you were at UPS and got your "license to fly people" would you go somewhere else?


YKW

ROTFLMAO!!!!!
Uh......no.

 

[amt]

It all depends how fast you want to age and if you care about flying wide body a/c across the globe.
Good luck!

 

[Steeler Fan]

I talked to an AirTran pilot who left to go fly for Emirates. He was about 3 months from upgrade when he left. He said that his ultimate reason for pursuing this career was to fly Widebodies and fly International.

Personal perference, I guess. Personally, flying international is no longer my thing, but if it's a big deal to you, then you have to factor that in to your decision making.

 

[bustinmins]

It's a legitimate question. Some people don't want to work at night, regardless of the pay. I declined a UPS interview years ago, because I didn't want to spend the rest of my career working graveyard. They can't pay me enough to live like that.

To the original poster - You're kidding right? UPS!

I understand the above comment. Personally, I'd rather fly four legs on the backside for six days straight as opposed to fly during the day and wonder how the economy and management were plotting against my retirement. Freightdawgs aren't bulletproof but they are the last to be put up against the wall.

Enjoy your day flying...by the way....FedEx is about 47% day flying.

 

[BFL370]

Ok, I have to know people keep saying FedEx and UPS fly a lot of time during the day. So If I fly 50% daylight hours at AirTran or Delta or SWA most all of it starts during the day. This 50% day flying in Brown or Purple what perecnt start in the day or night? FedEx or UPS guys only please.

 

[Whine Lover]

"Day" and "night" flying at a pax carrier is not a valid comparison.

At a pax carrier "night" (generally, when flying domestic) means after sunset til' about midnight or so. People don't really like to travel between 1 and 5 am. Yes, some pax carriers have Red-Eyes, but it is the exception rather than the rule.

It is not like the Freight outfits where "night" means seeing 3 am on a regular basis.

3 am is for the following in my book:

- Sleeping

- Peeing

- Puking

- and Farking.


Flying, or standing around a Hub/Sort, is not on my list of "Things to do at 3am."

But, thats just me....


YKW

 

[iaflyer]

"
3 am is for the following in my book:

- Sleeping

- Peeing

- Puking

- and Farking.
"/quote] People do all that stuff at the hub sort, what are you talking about!

 

[AV80R]

Hypothetically, if one had a choice of classdates, which would you pick and why?

Wow, I can’t believe I’d missed this thread, didn’t even know it was out there until now…

Well, as a former 717 driver (almost 2 years) I figured I should say something. I made the choice to jump citrus for the big brown and have no regrets. Had many misconceptions about freight flying and must say things are even better than I imagined. Lots of day flying is just one example (even for a very junior guy).

I’ll be glad to make more comparisons later for those who’re interested but after having read a few “less than friendly” comments here I wanted to post a quick reply to say that my choice was very logical based on the benefits, retirement, health insurance, schedules (in my view much better at Brown), type of equipment, stability, etc, etc, etc.

Yet the choice was not an easy one! Why? Because I loved my time at AirTran –there are tons of really great folks over there and working with them was simply fun. So in a nutshell, I have absolutely no regrets for jumping the ship, I think the pilot workforce here is truly top notch and I am loving the Brown lifestyle – but I disagree with those of you who say one must be stupid for even considering AirTran over UPS. I can think of at least 1,500 great reasons to work there (well, with very few exceptions ) and I will always wish them well and hope AirTran keeps growing. Here’s to my Citrus brothers & sisters…:beer:

 

[Heavy Set]

Flown nothing but people for 15 years and now freight..... getting my recall letter next month and Im going to use it as toilet paper and send it back to mother D in a UPS package with a note that says "what can brown do for you"?

I think that should answer your question eeeehhhh????

I think I remember your Delta rants, and I think most of them don't want you back either.

 

[Max Powers]

Least we not forget about ...twice a year or maybe more you get lucky with a FA....Of course she smokes a pack a day and has a good case of gout but hey baby its all good at da tranny

 

[waveflyer]

Everything's already been said- But this:

This type of Rivalry does in fact hurt us all at the negotiating table.

The pilot ego and need for validation of their choices and successes is a huge thing that can be played against us.

No one would agree- but if you follow the line of thinking all the way through=-- there are many of you that would rather be the highest paid at $100k than the lowest paid at a $150k. As long as you get to jerk off your pride- "My life is better than yours!"-everything is better.... As soon as any argument can be made that something different is better- you want to cut that pilot down... We should be comparing our lives to the lives and $$ of other professionals-

We get hired generally where we have connections- we shouldn't piss on each other for different choices or for not making it far yet-- Even if that person is a regional pilot-- we should be respecting ALL pilots and helping them gain leverage and a better life...

Who benefits when we get into all this ego over companies that don't care about us and that we have little control over?

 

[Networ-King]

I think I remember your Delta rants, and I think most of them don't want you back either.

Thanks for the kind words heavy.....and I do have a recall letter that proves you wrong...eeerrr.... I have a copy of a recall letter..... you know what I did with the original. Enjoy your lear 45.... good type to have.

 

[russtgol]

Hypothetically, if one had a choice of classdates, which would you pick and why?

That was an intelligent question... Of course Air Tran!!!!

 

[Ty Webb]

Hey AV8OR-

You sound like a class act. UPS's gain was our loss. Glad it worked out for you.

Blue skies, tailwinds, and schnocktails on the overnights!

TW

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[AV80R]

Hey AV8OR-
You sound like a class act. UPS's gain was our loss. Glad it worked out for you.
Blue skies, tailwinds, and schnocktails on the overnights!

TW.

Thanks TY, appreciate it. I just got off the phone with my college buddy who was a 717 captain when he left for Fedex last year (we left about the same time). Also another Purple guy and former Citrus driver PMed me and said the same thing – logically our decisions made sense but by no means was it easy. We all had a great time at AirTran and wish everyone there the very best.

Ps. Long overnights are very schnocktail-friendly

 

[AFcitrus]

It's a legitimate question. Some people don't want to work at night, regardless of the pay. I declined a UPS interview years ago, because I didn't want to spend the rest of my career working graveyard. They can't pay me enough to live like that.[/quote

You freaking shmuck......

I love morons like you with your mentality. I've flown a total of 120 hours for the year and I won't pass 150 hours and make more then most FO's at Airtran flying 600-900 hours a year. And when I do fly at NIGHTS all I hear on the air is Cactus, Delta, Airtan, UsAir and Jetblue so be my guest and thank god you are so mighty that you turned down an interview with the trash haulers.....

Lets see... on top the above reasons.... hhhhmmm let me think


UPS 3rd Q results 1.04 BILLION NET PROFIT
Airtran 3rd Q results 4.3 MILLION DOLLAR LOSS


I thinK big brown wipes the big brown off of thier arse with 4.3 Million dollars worth of toilet paper a day. So Let me tell you what brown can do for you.... you ignorant plick.......


As for the original question....don't listen to idiots like this guy..... you can do any type of flying you want at UPS. Night time or not you don't have to kill yourself flying 900 hours a year for the next 30 years. We have sssooo many guys coming here from airtran its ridiculous..... stephanie is not a happy camper, cause she keeps losing pilots to UPS for a good reason. Do your homework and research the companies and then you'll see its a no brainer.......

I know many pilots at UPS. Most of them like it, but some of them can't stand the lifestyle and are only staying for the job security/money. Not that there is anything wrong with that but no amount of money in the world is worth it (in my opinion) if you don't like your lifestyle. I have one friend who went to the training dept to avoid being away from home so much. He still works the back side of the clock but prefers that to being gone.

It's funny how some people on here are so quick to make negative judgements about people because of their own desires/career goals. Take a step back and realize that maybe not everyone is looking for the same things in a job that you are "Networking". This person asked an intelligent question and expected an intelligent answer. But instead, in steps some pompous A$$ who thinks his company is better than everyone else's because the corporate culture/lifestyle happens to fit him best. I actually know of a pilot that left AAI to go to UPS and came back because it didn't fit him. And yes, AAI took him back - albeit at the bottom of the seniority list.