United Strike Vote

[kf4amu]

I came to CAL in 2007 and I simply want us to act like Delta. To start we need to drop our ridiculous 50 seat only scope and focus on allowing a few more larger jets with a cap on total scope and an even larger reduction of scope should our mainline hours be reduced. The beginning of our new era starts with dropping our ridiculous 50 seat only scope and asking for Delta style scope. The time has come to start acting realistic and not like idealists stuck in an era where RJs haven't been invented yet.

I hope you get furloughed when your scope with comes true.

 

[HelloNewman]

If my scope vision comes true then furloughs will flow back into the left seat of what RJs are leftover should there be another furlough. Any regional that does not allow flowback can simply be cut off and left to die in the bankruptcy courts. Mainline holds all the cards at this point and regionals have nothing but a busted straight draw. If they don't do what we ask they can be replaced easily.

Things could change overnight with a 9/11 type of event but as of today we hold all the cards and regionals will have to jump how high they are told to by their mainline partners. This is why we must allow more larger seats with an overall decrease in the number of airplanes

 

[Shrek]

I have plenty of intestinal fortitude. I have already stated my beliefs multiple times. I know you want everyone to see things the union way but I do not. I am not afraid to voice my beliefs even though they are opposite of what the union people want. To me it takes more courage to state my true beliefs, afterall I could simply nod my head and agree with ALPA then talk behind their back. At least I am man enough not to do that. You on the other hand simply repeat the same rhetoric, I am not afraid to state my beliefs.

You can have any view you want........but to actually vote NO on a Strike Vote?! Are you that friggen stupid?

 

[superherc]

All I know is my wife has a number at United, and I know many of both sides of the fence. I have read all the emails and updates from the MEC and furlough committee, and it doesn't look good.

Management has been dragging their feet for years, and will continue as long as possible because they are making bank. How many ten of millions did Glen Tilton make over the past 5 years? Too much.

My point is: a strike vote will get their attention, shows you are unified, pissed, and want a decent contract. Do it now, during peak travel not in the winter. Then United can work on merging the two groups. I hope everything works out for everyone.

Blue Skies!

 

[list2002]

Voting yes... but honestly think nothing will change, mgmnt will get around to a contract when they are good and ready. June 15th changed nothing, L-UAL mad dogging changes nothing, an overwhelming yes vote for a strike changes nothing. If anything I am learning from this process that a Union really has no teeth on the influence of any of this process. All my union has done over the last 3 years is crowd control over it's pilots to "stay civilized." Seems defeatist, but until an actual TA comes around to vote in or out, there's not much legally that can be done. I guess a big yes vote can give us a warm feeling, like taping contracts to the CPO's door. Then when nothing else happens for a few months mgmnt and ALPA will figure some new diversion to help us feel in some kind of control of negotiations. Smoke and mirrors.

 

[Shrek]

Voting yes... but honestly think nothing will change, mgmnt will get around to a contract when they are good and ready. June 15th changed nothing, L-UAL mad dogging changes nothing, an overwhelming yes vote for a strike changes nothing. If anything I am learning from this process that a Union really has no teeth on the influence of any of this process. All my union has done over the last 3 years is crowd control over it's pilots to "stay civilized." Seems defeatist, but until an actual TA comes around to vote in or out, there's not much legally that can be done. I guess a big yes vote can give us a warm feeling, like taping contracts to the CPO's door. Then when nothing else happens for a few months mgmnt and ALPA will figure some new diversion to help us feel in some kind of control of negotiations. Smoke and mirrors.

Life under the RLA ........... it sucks to say the least.

 

[UAL-GSO]

You can have any view you want........but to actually vote NO on a Strike Vote?! Are you that friggen stupid?

Sadly, many of these hostages have just swallowed too much kool aid. Yes, they are that stupid.

This is how leverage is lost.

 

[KarmaPolice]

I have a college education

In your college education, any chance you ever read a book called "The Grapes of Wrath"? I doubt it, and if you did, you certainly missed the point, and thought it a nice story about some unlucky family from Oklahoma.

In your university studies, did you ever have a class on the Labor movement? Ever hear of something called the "American Plan", a drive by employers to paint unions as alien, socialistic, foreign, and anti-american in the 1920s? Ever hear of a couple attorneys by the name of "Ford and Harrison"?

You do know why you were able to pay off your house and student loans and save up a rainy day fund right?

Answer = Because of high union negotiated wages. PERIOD.

Not because you are special, smart, different, or that pilots deserve to be paid well. You paid your stuff off because you earned a job that someone else negotiated a high wage for using something called collective bargaining. Now that you "got yours" your willing to criticize your peers for trying to make life better for themselves. Nice.

You remind me of a guy I grew up with in a small town in Ohio where, like any other small Ohio town, we loved our Buckeye football. We also hated Michigan. A lot. Well this guy I grew up with just decided somehow he was going to like and root for Michigan, even though everybody else around him hated them more than anything else. He had no reason to pick Michigan, except for this weird desire to irritate, stand out, and be different from his peers. I think it made him feel better than everyone else in some weird way. But I still don't really understand it.

Just like I don't understand you.

 

[kf4amu]

If my scope vision comes true then furloughs will flow back into the left seat of what RJs are leftover should there be another furlough.

So you'll just fly them at the same rates the regionals do...sooo why not bring them under the mainline contract at the same rates?

 

[LXApilot]

Newman,
You are disappointing to say the least.
btw- UAL management previously signed a contract about 10 years ago in which they said that mainline block hours/fleet composition would have to be X or better to even allow a single express 50 seat RJ and then a ratio of X+% would allow additional express 50 seat aircraft.
You see what happened with that? Pilot group gives an inch- they take a mile. Every time.
UAL/CAL is not Delta and never will be. My suggestion is to go work there if you feel so proud of their achievements.
If not then get on the bandwagon, vote YES, honor the picket line (if it ever comes to that) and get active in the union on your own property.