United Hiring Questions

[Flopgut]

New hire pay got a 100% increase and insurance from day 1... Those were "biggies" we wanted to see. This TA might have great scope, and it might not. My concern is what are the L-UAL guys going to do if they are the ones who end up in complete control? From a talking paper on scope, a L-UAL pilot SME (subject matter expert) indicated that scope was so good mgt would want "to buy it back" in the near term. Does that mean it's good and L-UAL pilots will defend it? Or does it mean they want to sell it? That's the career question. The L-UAL pilot who sold scope out the first time (and his contemporaries) are still around.

 

[eaglesview]

The L-UAL pilot whin sold us out on scope has been reduced to a mere line pilot with zero input. Though he may still be on the property he is not a threat.

 

[pianoman]

The new contract, if passed, makes it pretty expensive for them to furlough. Also has a clause about forcing UAX carriers to hire furloughees at 2nd year FO pay on the largest equipment the carrier flies.

Not perfect but it's worlds better than the starting pay and furlough protection those of us hired after the flow-through evaporated had.
Maybe we aren't the best legacy, I don't know. But I think it's worlds better than working for a "regional" or whatever you want to call it any day.

 

[Fly4life]

I'm returning to flying as a furloughed UAL pilot on Dec 18th. The info I have for my class is 12-737 and 4-757 vacancies to fill. Both in IAH and EWR. I'm relative senior in the class and will most likely try for IAH 737. Schedule on 757 is rough from what I hear.

A lot does depend on TA passing right now to answer your question on pay and domicile. If it does pass the next step is integrating the seniority list.

There are plenty of rumors about numbers next year, but it looks like manpower is planning on a year in advance projection when it comes to hiring.

Good luck. I hope that helps a little. I can check back on here when I return to perhaps give more insight.

 

[airksk]

The new contract, if passed, makes it pretty expensive for them to furlough. Also has a clause about forcing UAX carriers to hire furloughees at 2nd year FO pay on the largest equipment the carrier flies.

Not perfect but it's worlds better than the starting pay and furlough protection those of us hired after the flow-through evaporated had.
Maybe we aren't the best legacy, I don't know. But I think it's worlds better than working for a "regional" or whatever you want to call it any day.

The expense to furloughing only kicks in if someone on the seniority at DOS gets furloughed. Any newhires after that don't have the same protections except for the UAX hiring.

 

[pianoman]

The expense to furloughing only kicks in if someone on the seniority at DOS gets furloughed. Any newhires after that don't have the same protections except for the UAX hiring.

You are correct; I should have split that into two parts.

 

[Ex737Driver]

Hey EX737, I am trying to decide which future job sucks the least. Whats your input on why UAL sucks? Anyone have any input on the chances of the newhires being furloughed once the lists are merged? To those who post, thanks for the good information.

1400+ furloughs that have yet to be recalled. Some are flying for lcal and most are still on the street and will probably continue to elect to do so until the ISL(integrated seniority list) is completed. Lcal will be hiring off the street until then to fill the void.

If you are hired at lcal, which is where you will be until the ISL is completed and we are one list, you will be junior to ALL 1400+ lual furloughees. And you will continue to be so until they have all been recalled on the new ISL. That list should be finished sometime in 2013.

So basically, there will be no movement for you or any other new hire for quite some time. Lets say the ISL takes 8 months and then recalls begin 2 months after that at 30 a month. You will continually have 30 pilots a month coming in on top off you at that rate for almost four years, plus the time it took for the ISL to be completed and the recalls to start.

In essence you could quite possibly be on the bottom of the list for the next 4-5 years. Get a copy of the ta and see if that's something you could live with.

As for more furloughs, I doubt it as we have been understaffed for several years now. Add the new 737's coming in this year as well as the age 65 guys leaving and we should be getting close to where we should be.

 

[Flyer1015]

With current Continental, which is where one would be hired, what's the first year pay rate and when does medical kick in? After 30 days?

 

[eaglesview]

With current Continental, which is where one would be hired, what's the first year pay rate and when does medical kick in? After 30 days?

Wait and see what happens Saturday.

 

[RT8VA]

It would be day one if the assumption that this passes is correct which I believe it is. First year pay on all equipment would be $60.92 per hour and if you flew international a $4.50 overide. When you hit second year the contract would be in its second full year so year 2 pay would vary depending on what you flew but $97.25 on an Airbus and $126.07 on the 767-4 and larger. The 757 and large 737 have a couple of different rates 101 and 104 per hour. Hope this helps with your choice good luck.

 

[RT8VA]

and the it would be day one was referencing insurance coverage being day one

 

[Flyer1015]

Wait and see what happens Saturday.

So if this TA passes, it affects all newhires on the Continental side, paying and abiding by the new TA?

 

[Lear70]

So basically, there will be no movement for you or any other new hire for quite some time. Lets say the ISL takes 8 months and then recalls begin 2 months after that at 30 a month. You will continually have 30 pilots a month coming in on top off you at that rate for almost four years, plus the time it took for the ISL to be completed and the recalls to start.

In essence you could quite possibly be on the bottom of the list for the next 4-5 years. Get a copy of the ta and see if that's something you could live with.

So a new-hire would likely be on reserve for half a decade, upgrading in about 12-15 years?

Ouch...

Wonder how many UAL furloughees are at AAI or SWA or DAL and won't take recall? Have you guys been tracking your furloughees?

 

[Flyer1015]

So a new-hire would likely be on reserve for half a decade, upgrading in about 12-15 years?

Ouch...

Wonder how many UAL furloughees are at AAI or SWA or DAL and won't take recall? Have you guys been tracking your furloughees?

The combined UniCal will be retiring about 400 per year for the foreseeable future. Getting off reserve may be quicker than you think.

 

[Lear70]

The combined UniCal will be retiring about 400 per year for the foreseeable future. Getting off reserve may be quicker than you think.

1,400 still furloughed at 400 per year is 3 1/2 years, possibly less time for growth airplanes, depending on whether the combined airline shrinks in the near future? Then another year or two of 400 per year retirements to have enough new-hires to push a person hired now off reserve = 4 - 6 years, depending on the hiring variable and if people don't take recall?

Not looking to start over, just lurking and didn't realize that many people were still on the street there... Being furloughed sucks, I know. Hope everyone gets back if they want to sooner than later!