United Hiring Questions

[outerfix]

I heard that United will be hiring with pilots still on furlough. Do the new hires go to the CAL side until the lists are merged? When are the lists expected to be merged? Is SFO a junior base and how many years to hold a widebody F/O position. Is the payscale expected to improve?

Thanks

 

[densoo]

I heard that United will be hiring with pilots still on furlough.

Do the new hires go to the CAL side until the lists are merged?

When are the lists expected to be merged?

Is the payscale expected to improve?

Yes.

Yes, they are hiring to the CAL side.

The integrated list is about least six months away if the TA passes.

First year pay scales go from $30/hr to $60/hr if TA passes.

 

[Mad Dog 80]

When does voting close for United Pilots?

 

[densoo]

when does voting close for united pilots?

12/15/12

 

[pianoman]

I have been here just under 6 years on the CAL side. Hired as a 777 FO but lost the seat. I just missed it in EWR on the last bid.

New hires have been going to the 737 and 757/767, so you could do international flying if you got hired. Unlikely you would see much of the 767, though.

Once we merge, I imagine you would be at the bottom behind all the UA-side furloughed guys. How they put them into the final list is anyone's guess.

 

[Ex737Driver]

I heard that United will be hiring with pilots still on furlough. Do the new hires go to the CAL side until the lists are merged? When are the lists expected to be merged? Is SFO a junior base and how many years to hold a widebody F/O position. Is the payscale expected to improve?

Thanks

Don't do it. We now suck more than anything has ever sucked before.

 

[densoo]

I imagine you would be at the bottom behind all the UA-side furloughed guys.

You would imagine correctly.

"TPA 7-B (iii) All Pilots hired by the employing Airline after the Merger Agreement Date who are not Pilots employed pursuant to this Section 7-B will exercise their seniority for all purposes junior to all Pilots who were on either seniority list prior to the Merger Agreement Date."

 

[densoo]

Don't do it. We now suck more than anything has ever sucked before.

Yea, but we're going to vote this TA in so we can get this division behind us and unify to fight another day--and that day would be Dec 15, 2017.

 

[densoo]

Or 2023...

"American and its pilots have been negotiating a new contract since 2006." - NYT

 

[acaTerry]

What are the junior bases and equipment?

 

[johnsonrod]

A UAL furloughed friend of mine just got 737NG at IAH.

 

[Furloughed80]

My guess would be that new hires would be awarded EWR 737, IAH 737, maybe some EWR 756, and possibly GUM 737.

 

[acaTerry]

My guess would be that new hires would be awarded EWR 737, IAH 737, maybe some EWR 756, and possibly GUM 737.

Thanks. Ironic though, seeing the words "awarded" and "EWR" in the same sentence huh?

 

[outerfix]

Hey EX737, I am trying to decide which future job sucks the least. Whats your input on why UAL sucks? Anyone have any input on the chances of the newhires being furloughed once the lists are merged? To those who post, thanks for the good information.

 

[Chairman]

Hey EX737, I am trying to decide which future job sucks the least. Whats your input on why UAL sucks? Anyone have any input on the chances of the newhires being furloughed once the lists are merged? To those who post, thanks for the good information.

Total crap shoot...lots of retirements coming in the future but this is aviation so shrinking and consolidation could happen. Was a new hire in 2007 when we were told not to worry we were going to hire 300 a year looking forward. They have made sure going forward that if furloughed you will keep longevity. Roll the dice even 4 years on the street never have looked back.

Chairman

 

[Flopgut]

New hire pay got a 100% increase and insurance from day 1... Those were "biggies" we wanted to see. This TA might have great scope, and it might not. My concern is what are the L-UAL guys going to do if they are the ones who end up in complete control? From a talking paper on scope, a L-UAL pilot SME (subject matter expert) indicated that scope was so good mgt would want "to buy it back" in the near term. Does that mean it's good and L-UAL pilots will defend it? Or does it mean they want to sell it? That's the career question. The L-UAL pilot who sold scope out the first time (and his contemporaries) are still around.

 

[eaglesview]

The L-UAL pilot whin sold us out on scope has been reduced to a mere line pilot with zero input. Though he may still be on the property he is not a threat.

 

[pianoman]

The new contract, if passed, makes it pretty expensive for them to furlough. Also has a clause about forcing UAX carriers to hire furloughees at 2nd year FO pay on the largest equipment the carrier flies.

Not perfect but it's worlds better than the starting pay and furlough protection those of us hired after the flow-through evaporated had.
Maybe we aren't the best legacy, I don't know. But I think it's worlds better than working for a "regional" or whatever you want to call it any day.

 

[Fly4life]

I'm returning to flying as a furloughed UAL pilot on Dec 18th. The info I have for my class is 12-737 and 4-757 vacancies to fill. Both in IAH and EWR. I'm relative senior in the class and will most likely try for IAH 737. Schedule on 757 is rough from what I hear.

A lot does depend on TA passing right now to answer your question on pay and domicile. If it does pass the next step is integrating the seniority list.

There are plenty of rumors about numbers next year, but it looks like manpower is planning on a year in advance projection when it comes to hiring.

Good luck. I hope that helps a little. I can check back on here when I return to perhaps give more insight.

 

[airksk]

The new contract, if passed, makes it pretty expensive for them to furlough. Also has a clause about forcing UAX carriers to hire furloughees at 2nd year FO pay on the largest equipment the carrier flies.

Not perfect but it's worlds better than the starting pay and furlough protection those of us hired after the flow-through evaporated had.
Maybe we aren't the best legacy, I don't know. But I think it's worlds better than working for a "regional" or whatever you want to call it any day.

The expense to furloughing only kicks in if someone on the seniority at DOS gets furloughed. Any newhires after that don't have the same protections except for the UAX hiring.