United Furloughs 290 More Pilots...

[hmmm]

Wow General over the years u have really made it so any post with your name attached has everyone pre rigged to pounce on your arse. Or at least take your words with more grains of salt than others.

 

[20sx]

BTW, the General was answered on the first page, post 13, by Bluechunks. I agree with hmmm, there does seem to be some kind of whiplash that happens whenever the General writes. I've read lots of cutting remarks from him, but I've never read him ridicule the furloughed. And there is nothing wrong with him being protectionist about his own company and fellow pilots. Who wouldn't rather their friends and fellow employees keep their jobs instead of contract pilots? Of course, I kinda work for a bottom of the barrel contractor, don't like the thought of being furloughed, but still understand why any pilot at Delta would feel the way they do.

 

[johnsonrod]

I still don't see what the General said that was so offensive at the beginning of this post. Sounded like he was actually confirming that the 290 was not incremental to what UAL had previously stated. Just confirming. But really, who cares?

I realize people are all very sensitive nowadays for good reason but c'mon. How about we return to the original subject of this post...

 

[pilotgolfer]

[FONT=TimesNewRoman,Bold][FONT=TimesNewRoman,Bold]Furloughs[/FONT][/FONT]
As mentioned in previous editions of the Flight Plan, the next furlough of 290 pilots, of
which 147 are actively flying, will occur on September 16, 2009. I’m pleased to
announce that 44 pilots volunteered for this furlough, and 23 of them were of sufficient
seniority to mitigate involuntary furloughs.
In addition to the September furlough, we will have a furlough of 177 pilots, of which 91
are actively flying, on October 14, 2009. We currently have 12 pilots who have applied
for voluntary furlough.
At this time we are also announcing a furlough of 100 pilots on November 11, 2009, of
which 55 are actively flying. This furlough group will complete the pilot furlough plan
associated with the 100 aircraft retirements announced in June 2008. The senior pilot to
be furloughed will be seniority number 6393, although this threshold will become more
junior if there are additional senior volunteers for furlough. This will be the last
opportunity to volunteer for furlough, with a deadline of September 30, 2009 @ 0900
central time. You can indicate your interest in a voluntary furlough by transmitting​

DIS*41971 or by sending an email

 

[XBOEINGDRVR]

I have never read any negative furlough comments from the general.....geez relax guys.

 

[GuppyWN]

What date of hire is pilot 6393?

Gup

 

[bluechunks]

What date of hire is pilot 6393?

June '99

 

[GuppyWN]

Good lord. God speed fellas.

Gup

 

[Colonel Savage]

June '99

Is this the second furlough for anyone? That can get pretty tough.

 

[Sonny Crockett]

Is this the second furlough for anyone? That can get pretty tough.

YES.....except for the 300 nehires in 2006-2007 the rest are ALL DOUBLE FURLOUGHS

 

[Colonel Savage]

That's gotta be painful. Thanks, Sonny.

 

[pilotgolfer]

YES.....except for the 300 nehires in 2006-2007 the rest are ALL DOUBLE FURLOUGHS

Even many of the 300 new hires were DOUBLE FURLOUGHS. I can think of at least a half dozen ATA guys that had just gone through a shutdown. The only thing worse than getting furloughed from UAL twice, is leaving a stable, higher paying position at a different airline to go to United when they knew damned well in advance that they were gonna park those airplanes. They didn't pull that out of thin air one Friday over cocktails at Happy Hour.

There never should have been 300 new hires in the first place.

 

[jmreii]

" A lesson learned is a past remembered"

 

[b707guy]

" A lesson learned is a past remembered"

One of the many problems with this industry - you never know when or with which company(s) to apply the lessons learned!

One of my lucky good ones: While layed off from ATI in 2001 and after shutting the original Southern Air Transport down, I stuck with Emery and said "thanks but no thanks" to DHL Airways offer for an interview. Shortly thereafter, Emery furloughed and shut down, and I got recalled by ATI. Somehow, we've survived this maelstrom and Astar is being torn down as we speak. I was apparently never lucky (or good...) enough to be hired by any of the majors, but I've definitely been lucky enough to be unemployed for only short periods.

Hope all the UAL, CAL, and everyone else currently or soon to be looking fare far better or at least no worse than that! My heart goes out to you all.

One more thing: what was the reference to age 62 a few posts back?

 

[pilotgolfer]

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One more thing: what was the reference to age 62 a few posts back?[/QUOTE]


I think the Age 62 was in reference to the eligibility age for social security. Since the change in the retirement age, those that were allowed to continue flying will start hitting age 62 in December. I think people are hoping that when they hit 62 1/2 (or whatever the age is) that they will retire from the airlines and some of the furloughed guys will have seats to fill.