Union coming at Flexjet!

[Necromonger]

WL... Now, That is Funny. You actually read those things? Get a Life!

 

[Fresh Air]

Hello, all.

After quite a while "looking over the shoulder" of a SIC who frequents this board, I've paid my ten bucks for a chance to swim with the sharks. Seems to me that there are a lot of folks here with very strong opinions on the whole pro/anti union business, and I feel that I can add some useful input from the perspective of one who has been through the whole process (I'm a Flight Options pilot, not a mgt pilot or a union committee member, just a line dawg) but really, truly, could not care less whether Flex and CA organize or not. Thanks, all, for making this board interesting, and I look forward to some interesting discussions. (and my apologies for taking the thread momentarily off topic. Since Flex appears to be closest to a vote, I thought that this thread would be most appropriate to jump into.)

 

[Praetorian]

His attempt at subtle manipulation is pretty lame.
WL

Pretty hypocritical coming from a union-buster like you. Are you required to bathe before you enter the "cyber-lair" your firm operates, or do they let you work from home?

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl...a=X&ei=gJS1TfKgLce_tgf-zNHpDg&ved=0CC8Q9QEwBA

 

[NoJoy]

After quite a while "looking over the shoulder" of a SIC who frequents this board, I've paid my ten bucks for a chance to swim with the sharks. Seems to me that there are a lot of folks here with very strong opinions on the whole pro/anti union business, and I feel that I can add some useful input from the perspective of one who has been through the whole process (I'm a Flight Options pilot, not a mgt pilot or a union committee member, just a line dawg) but really, truly, could not care less whether Flex and CA organize or not. Thanks, all, for making this board interesting, and I look forward to some interesting discussions. (and my apologies for taking the thread momentarily off topic. Since Flex appears to be closest to a vote, I thought that this thread would be most appropriate to jump into.)

What?! You paid $10.00 to join FI? (I thought joinging was free) Most of the 50,000 pilots on here would not pay $1.00 to be able post their "opinions". I tell people to go post on the "other" board-FI light-its free and more moderated for your pleasure.

 

[Fresh Air]

What?! You paid $10.00 to join FI? (I thought joinging was free) Most of the 50,000 pilots on here would not pay $1.00 to be able post their "opinions". I tell people to go post on the "other" board-FI light-its free and more moderated for your pleasure.

What, and miss out on all the unfounded rumors, childish name calling and hideous spelling/grammar to be found here???

Seriously, though, I'm not sure which other board you are referring to. You mean the Flops IBT board? That one pretty much died after the CBA was signed.

 

[warlord19]

Well, since you lemmings think all non-union fracs have a slave-masttuh(sp) relationship, I'm just trying to live up to your expectations. But you Mr.P, your a class act by yourself.
WL

 

[NoJoy]

What, and miss out on all the unfounded rumors, childish name calling and hideous spelling/grammar to be found here???

Seriously, though, I'm not sure which other board you are referring to. You mean the Flops IBT board? That one pretty much died after the CBA was signed.

airlinepilotcentral.com Some of our good friends here are also over there on the Frac forum. But they are forced to play nice most of the time. :beer:

 

[Necromonger]

NoJoy...
I gotta say. That Chuck Norris thing is really cracking me up for some reason.

... Just sayin'.

 

[fischman]

Well, since you lemmings think all non-union fracs have a slave-masttuh(sp) relationship, I'm just trying to live up to your expectations. But you Mr.P, your a class act by yourself.
WL

You could do it better than belittling a people, but I do like your analogy. There is a correlation between a master-slave relationship and an at-will employee.

By the way, it's "you're", not "your". Using proper grammar would help your case.

"Lemmings". Really? Name calling is the last resort of a weak mind.

 

[NoJoy]

NoJoy...
I gotta say. That Chuck Norris thing is really cracking me up for some reason.

... Just sayin'.

You know that stuff never gets old. Since this thread has entered the darkness, we should all take a break and list our fav Chuck facts. :laugh:

 

[gret]

Geez..I think he is OK. His posts are a lot better than most of the drool here.

 

[warlord19]

My, My, the PC folks and assorted lemmings are in high dungeon. Let's look at the chain of events. A couple of the real sharp lemmings have posted here that Flex(and other) non-unions companies have a master-slave relationship. THAT, to me and most of the rest of adult Americans who work union-free(about 90%), is what is offensive. I've yet to hear an apology, nor do I expect one from this crowd. My post was a spoof of that “relationship” using language I hear every day AND from one of my favorite novels 'Huckleberry Finn'....Slave Jim would understand.

And Flex-wife, it seems your PC trained-mind wouldn't let an original idea or opposing opinion ever see the light of day, so I choose to remain “unenlightened” in all matters so dear to you.

And gret, where is your PC hat. Thanks.

WL

 

[notapilot]

My, My, the PC folks and assorted lemmings are in high dungeon. Let's look at the chain of events. A couple of the real sharp lemmings have posted here that Flex(and other) non-unions companies have a master-slave relationship. THAT, to me and most of the rest of adult Americans who work union-free(about 90%), is what is offensive. I've yet to hear an apology, nor do I expect one from this crowd. My post was a spoof of that “relationship” using language I hear every day AND from one of my favorite novels 'Huckleberry Finn'....Slave Jim would understand.

And Flex-wife, it seems your PC trained-mind wouldn't let an original idea or opposing opinion ever see the light of day, so I choose to remain “unenlightened” in all matters so dear to you.

And gret, where is your PC hat. Thanks.

WL

I am far from PC, but your now erased message went way over the line. Maybe an apology from you would be in order. A spoof can be extremely tasteless if you didn't already know that. You are hanging around a sick group of people if this is the kind of language and spoofing you hear everyday. I am open to hearing from all sides of this debate including yours but I have now lost all interest to read anything you or if you represent F&H they say. To now defend yourself behind a fictional character is pretty weak.

 

[doh]

Did Warlord get the gate? I see his name is red.

 

[warlord19]

Hey doh. I had to take some time off to read the PC Bible, er, PC Manual. It's a pretty interesting read if you can't get to sleep some night. But talking about unions, the CA string has some adult conversation going on there if you are still interested in this sort of thing. It looks like the effort this year at Flex is dead, but there's always next year. I think the majority of our pilots have weighed both sides and, again, have come to the right conclusion.
WL

 

[G4dude]

Hey doh. I had to take some time off to read the PC Bible, er, PC Manual. It's a pretty interesting read if you can't get to sleep some night. But talking about unions, the CA string has some adult conversation going on there if you are still interested in this sort of thing. It looks like the effort this year at Flex is dead, but there's always next year. I think the majority of our pilots have weighed both sides and, again, have come to the right conclusion.
WL

Good news for Flex, bad news for NJA, as Flex will be able to compete more efficiently.

 

[pers-headwall]

This string is dead, as is the union drive at Flex.

 

[hammer2]

Uh-oh!

 

[doh]

I'll bite. What's the uh-oh mean?

 

[hammer2]

I'll bite. What's the uh-oh mean?

It was my well thought out response in regards to Citationair's vote, leaving Flex the only fractional without representation.


Sorry, Avantair too.

 

[fugazi]

It would have been really nice to have that CBA with this RIF eh guys? Now you know why we were trying so hard for the union to get on the property. The workforce reduction would have probably still happened but, it would have been on our terms not just their terms. If we are purchased by NJA do you think our management will even fight for an integration? You coolaide drinkers on the top are about to find out that youre just another pawn in their game; they dont give a F--K about you or your family. Good luck!

 

[pers-headwall]

Eff-Off!! Gazi

Union wouldn't do Jack-Squat on layoffs. Since Texas is a "Right-To-Work state" I'll negotiate my on terms Didn't you follow the Wisconsin election...duh!?!

 

[Sparse]

The union at CA is essentially dead. Don't know how many are paying dues but based on the post on the IBT site, which is only allowed to members in good standing, I.e. paying dues, I guess the figure is pretty low. Most are spending their time looking for other employment rather than worrying about getting a CBA. At this point, my feeling for Flex voting for a union is its a moot point. We are all screwed, but it has been fun.

 

[Sparse]

It would have been really nice to have that CBA with this RIF eh guys? Now you know why we were trying so hard for the union to get on the property. The workforce reduction would have probably still happened but, it would have been on our terms not just their terms. !

Ask a CA how that worked for us. We voted for a union almost a year ago. No CBA and layoffs are on their terms.

 

[x402]

Good news for Flex, bad news for NJA, as Flex will be able to compete more efficiently.

nn

Dewey Wins!!!!!!!!

 

[doylehargraves]

I don't get it

 

[doylehargraves]

Oh wait, now I do.

 

[gunfyter]

nn

Dewey Wins!!!!!!!!

LOL :erm:

 

[Praetorian]

Eff-Off!! Gazi

Union wouldn't do Jack-Squat on layoffs. Since Texas is a "Right-To-Work state" I'll negotiate my on terms Didn't you follow the Wisconsin election...duh!?!

The Federal Railway Labor Act (45 U.S.C.A. § 151 et seq.) prevents the application of state right-to-work laws to the railroad and airline industries.

So good luck with that.

 

[Praetorian]

The union at CA is essentially dead. Don't know how many are paying dues but based on the post on the IBT site, which is only allowed to members in good standing, I.e. paying dues, I guess the figure is pretty low. Most are spending their time looking for other employment rather than worrying about getting a CBA. At this point, my feeling for Flex voting for a union is its a moot point. We are all screwed, but it has been fun.

Your problem is you think, "the union" is someone else, when in fact it is you and your fellow pilots. If you and your fellow pilots are not supporting your union, of course it is "essentially dead."

So I guess in the end you will get out of "the union" what you put into it. If you think a year is a long time to wait for a first contract, your mistaken. If you think the battles your going through right now are unusual during negotiations for a first contract you are also mistaken.

What will be truly sad is if one day you wake up and find your still working at CA, but because you bought into your managements FUD "the union" is gone.