Union busting, bigblue style.

[Splert]

Which airline is GM?

I'm sure your family bought a fleet of 1994 Pontiac Grand Am's.

What a choice!

Also Retiree medical is limited. Not unlimited. Medicare is primary and the retiree medical is secondary. Medicare Part A and B paid the LION share of the expenses. But you knew that before you Googled and then cut and copied and pasted.

Management makes choices and they make a bad ones. BK is not death it is structured reorganization and is the check to both Management and Labor. GM should have filed BK because SALES were declining because they had crap designs like the Grand Am. They owned it and you are trying to pass the buck to labor.

Without a union there is no check on Managements greed, period.

Jetblue is the proof.

 

[pilotyip]

Which airline is GM? Without a union there is no check on Managements greed, period.

Actually thay run scheduled service between a number of US Cities on theie CV-580 fleet.

Now back to the main event, your post fits in with what I see the average union activist pull out of the scripted book. "Management can do nothing right and unions can do nothing wrong" The true is somewhere in between. Unions can bust companies, and companies can bust unions

BTW Have never owned a GM prodcut in my life, Ford man

 

[Splert]

Oh so there is a middle ground.

Never read that from you in the past.

Seems like your base line is that Unions are evil and management is Baby Jesus.

 

[pilotyip]

See there is no middle ground with you.

I support a union at JetBlue and that means to you we are no different than a GM worker.

Later.

Sure there is, I even posted I worked there I would send in a card. Some places need a union, some places don't maybe JB is in the first category. My concern is with pro-union guys at my previous airlines, that were never happy and were always looking for a bitch.

BTW Of course a JB pilot is not a GM worker, the GM guys made more money.

 

[Splert]

I missed read your reply.

I'll take that but I thought you posted that "if you were anti union" You "might" send in a card or vote.

Oh well. Jetblue needs a union and I convinced the majority of the pilots are very reasonable.

 

[oldxfr8dog]

Randy, thanks for recognizing that there are two sides. JB is making record profits. GOOD!
They are cutting worker benefits, are forcing greater productivity (although JB is already #2 behind WN), and paying cash for things like International JFK Terminals, airframes, and pre-paying debt out to 2038.
And then cry poor regarding earnings!
If I am giving 110% for this company (previously about 200%!), at least give me average compensation. JB pilots are FAR below average.
I'm not trying to burn this place down, I just want some recognition of my hard work besides a "Lift Award". A Lift Award is an e-mailed "Atta Boy". No cash, day off, etc...
Oh, The "Lift" is pimped as such a GREAT deal.
I'm not running at Lucy's football again.

 

[CapnVegetto]

Randy, thanks for recognizing that there are two sides. JB is making record profits. GOOD!
They are cutting worker benefits, are forcing greater productivity (although JB is already #2 behind WN), and paying cash for things like International JFK Terminals, airframes, and pre-paying debt out to 2038.
And then cry poor regarding earnings!
If I am giving 110% for this company (previously about 200%!), at least give me average compensation. JB pilots are FAR below average.
I'm not trying to burn this place down, I just want some recognition of my hard work besides a "Lift Award". A Lift Award is an e-mailed "Atta Boy". No cash, day off, etc...
Oh, The "Lift" is pimped as such a GREAT deal.
I'm not running at Lucy's football again.

Don't forget paying themselves massive bonuses. How much has exec compensation increased in the last couple of years?

 

[BeachBummer]

Last year 0 zero... Things are tight need to get that ROIC... Ya know but on a go forward basis um yea, pertaining to that, while adding some color, um, yea... Well regarding the previous question hats a good push back and we'd like to form a committee to fully understand... Aaaaaah, right what was that question?

Yea um average increase 40%+

 

[brokeflyer]

How come they are called union busters? But when employees unionize and break a company they are never called "Company Busters"?

BTW That was almost enough for me to want to send in a card.

because the pilots unionize for better working conditions, which makes it a great place to work. then you happy employes. Most flight department unions actually save the company from its own destruction.

 

[Smarta$$]

Hey yip, in your honest opinion, who has ruined more companies, unions or management?

 

[pilotyip]

Hey yip, in your honest opinion, who has ruined more companies, unions or management?

Equal opportunity many destroyed by both sides. unions limit a company's flexibility and is why the UAW companaies lost ground to the Japanesse auto makers.

 

[tico]

I think when the resource is expensive the users of it are careful with it...when it
is not and there are no repercussions for wasting it
only in rare cases does it not get wasted......Flexibility is almost always an excuse for piss-poor prior planning.....Ability is almost always missing in those managers that rely on flexibility for profitability......That video is exactly what is wrong with large segments of corporate America.....good luck blue dudes

 

[BeachBummer]

Equal opportunity many destroyed by both sides. unions limit a company's flexibility and is why the UAW companaies lost ground to the Japanesse auto makers.

Pilots... Just a bunch of wrench turning day laborers... Love it.

 

[B6Busdriver]

Pilots... Just a bunch of wrench turning day laborers... Love it.

Go online at airlinepilotcentral.com. One guy on there compared pilots to Hostess Twinkie makers.

 

[pilotyip]

I think when the resource is expensive the users of it are careful with it...when it
is not and there are no repercussions for wasting it
only in rare cases does it not get wasted......Flexibility is almost always an excuse for piss-poor prior planning.....Ability is almost always missing in those managers that rely on flexibility for profitability......That video is exactly what is wrong with large segments of corporate America.....good luck blue dudes

sample of the difference between a UAW auto plant and Toyota plant.

Old union joke at GM, how many union members did it take to change light bulb? Five, 1 electrician to turn off the power, 1 equipment resource person to get the light bulb, 1 equip set up specialist to erect the ladder, 1 ladder climbing rigger to climb the ladder and install the light bulb, and 1 Hazardous Waste disposal technician to dispose of the old light bulb. How many at a Toyota plant? The guy who saw it burned out. It was the 76 worker classifications that the union demanded that added to the demise by increasing over head cost compared to the non-union competition. BTW I really don?t care what anyone does, but they should be exposed to both sides

 

[sniper]

UAL, NWA, etc. GM, Chrysler, USSteel, should I go on?

Managers run companies not the unions

Managers get the credit when things go well as they should get they blame when things go bad


wake up

 

[Fins Up]

Equal opportunity many destroyed by both sides. unions limit a company's flexibility and is why the UAW companaies lost ground to the Japanesse auto makers.

You're right on the flexibility thing. Right now our company has to flexibility to do just about anything they want. They can gut health care, institute new policies via email overnight, take away duty rigs ("13:30s" in this case), ignore FSM governance procedures that they themselves signed, give you a choice on whether or not to sign a particular new policy ("5 docs" including DRM) and then have it written into a contract whether you said yes or no,... I could go on.

Nobody likes the "angry union guy" who is a nightmare to fly with because he just b!tches for four days straight. Fortunately, most of us in favor of obtaining representation and a CBA are more moderate than hardline. I will say, however, that with all the crap the company is doing to us this year, there are a lot more "angry" pilots here than there used to be. Whose fault is that?

So this flexibility that the company enjoys is good for them and bad for us. And all that's about to come to an end. I look forward to getting to work on our first CBA.

All this comes from a military/republican/former "unions are evil" guy. I never thought I'd be pro-ALPA but things change. "A comany gets the union it deserves."

 

[HRDiva]

All this comes from a military/republican/former "unions are evil" guy. I never thought I'd be pro-ALPA but things change. "A comany gets the union it deserves."

Wow, you echoed my comment on this on another board the other day. I said that I never thought that, as a member of management, I'd say this. But you need a union fast! Companies that experience union drives in this day and age deserve it, in my opinion because they don't do it right.

By that I don't mean always giving raises and benefits. Even if you have to deliver bad news, there is a way to do it. I once worked for a company that had a school for kids thrown out of the system that was licensed by the state with a July 1 contact. They had it forever. But in March they learned they had competition for the next contract. Everyone, including the VP of HR (who had no HR training but was just promoted) said to keep it hush-hush. I disagreed and won. We explained it, staff gave ideas to improve the renewal application. Guess what? The state loved it and everyone kept their jobs!

 

[BentOver]

So your telling me the last Union drive was defeated by two fat chicks and a four eyed nerd.......


Get your sh.it together and defeat these 3 fu.ckers.... They basically collected an award for defeating a Union drive that would allow the pilots to have a voice

 

[Ski-N-Fly]

So your telling me the last Union drive was defeated by two fat chicks and a four eyed nerd.......


Get your sh.it together and defeat these 3 fu.ckers.... They basically collected an award for defeating a Union drive that would allow the pilots to have a voice

What does that tell you about this pilot group? Fortunately this new PEA is probably going to be the last nail in the coffin for the DR.