Union busting, bigblue style.

[Dizel8]

They did win an award, let's celebrate, or not!

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=36YiO1scuZM&desktop_uri=/watch?v=36YiO1scuZM

 

[pilotyip]

How come they are called union busters? But when employees unionize and break a company they are never called "Company Busters"?

BTW That was almost enough for me to want to send in a card.

 

[kommutrdog]

Edit. Not worth it.

 

[pilotyip]

Edit. Not worth it.

Already saw it on my iphone. So I will answer. You guys are so funny, you air your laundry in public, then when someone, like me, says hay your laundry ins hanging out there a tremendous outrage because we are not supposed to talk about your laundry in public.

BTW: As I posted above, I almost gagged on the video, if I was not pro-union before that I might be afterwords.

 

[BeachBummer]

Jenny.... Whuhuhuhhuhuh

 

[BEECH-SLAPPED]

Wow! Smart AND beautiful.

 

[Vingus]

How come they are called union busters? But when employees unionize and break a company they are never called "Company Busters"?

BTW That was almost enough for me to want to send in a card.

Are you starting to get why this employee group is so frustrated?

 

[pilotyip]

Are you starting to get why this employee group is so frustrated?

Yes, in fact if I worked there, I would probalby send in a card, because I would not care if it destroyed the company. But the union activist posters here, remind me of the never happy pro-union at former union airlines, I did not like it back then and I don't like it now. Hope everything works out.

BTW I am betting JB is still a better job than pushing auto parts in the middle of the night a KYIP.

 

[PsubS]

It is a better job than hauling cargo, Yip! True, there are many things to fix, but then again name a carrier that doesn't have things to fix….

I still enjoy coming to work, regardless of what the rather negative posters here have to say. My happiness does not depend on who I work for…and I chose to change things in a positive way.

 

[PBRstreetgang]

Here is the reality, no union means the company can do whatever it wants, within federal and state labor laws. But wait, airlines are controlled under the RLA, so the federal and state labor laws are not applicable. One small problem the RLA was written for Collectively Bargained Labor groups. Non union airlines have a huge advantage, since there are effectively no labor laws to protect the employees.
This is an example as to how far a corporation will go:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qajBfEdzoE&sns=em
This is quite simple, it's about money, who gets it or who keeps it, the companies will spend huge volumes to keep even bigger piles in their bank accounts. Pilots on the other hand will argue to this day over leather vs dinner jacket and hat vs combover.
Yeah DAL put 1.5Bil in the bank just a few years after BK. Pilots want to look good and airlines want to keep the money, we will see how that goes.

 

[Vingus]

It is a better job than hauling cargo, Yip! True, there are many things to fix, but then again name a carrier that doesn't have things to fix?.

I still enjoy coming to work, regardless of what the rather negative posters here have to say. My happiness does not depend on who I work for?and I chose to change things in a positive way.

That's great. I just hope that it includes sending in a card.

 

[Splert]

Yes, in fact if I worked there, I would probalby send in a card, because I would not care if it destroyed the company. But the union activist posters here, remind me of the never happy pro-union at former union airlines, I did not like it back then and I don't like it now. Hope everything works out.

BTW I am betting JB is still a better job than pushing auto parts in the middle of the night a KYIP.

Sorry that is your extent of your skill set.

For me I work work towards continuing cost advantage for my employer. Except now and over the past 5 years we are not even close.

It has been take take take.

Just for our vacation policy the company enjoys a 10% manning advantage.

Bring that up here and some sunshine pumper without knowing the specifics of our policy pops off that another pilot is being whinny.

That gets them an explaination of our policy and if that doesn't sink in the they get the FO post.

Same with health care retirement reserve rules pot pts std ltd rigs healthcare.
Where we are near bottom of the barrel within the company agreed upon peer set in which the company has farmed a 26% pilot casm advantage.

 

[Dizel8]

Yes, in fact if I worked there, I would probalby send in a card, because I would not care if it destroyed the company

I am absolutely against destroying the company, ELT seems hell bent of doing just that, I am actually interested in making it great company and a place people want to work for.

To do that, I need a voice at the negotiating table. Not to make outrageous demands, but to create a working environment that fosters loyalty if you will.

Bigblue is on record as saying they can handle 20% attrition in the pilot group, but what major airline even worries about such numbers. I doubt any major airline CEO lays awake at night wonder if 20%, much less 5% will leave his airline.

It's a sad, downward spiral they find themselves in and it's all the ELT's fault. They have a most compliant, most willing, most productive pilot group, a group that asked for so incredibly little and yet, that was apparently way too much in their eyes!

 

[oldxfr8dog]

SO well said, Diezl.
I came here 11+ years ago with the dream that it was a better place. (As did many others). It's not. It's the same old place with a bunch of BS and promises.
I didn't need a job, I wanted to come to a place that really had the BIG picture. A place to be proud to work.
I gave up the left seat at a major, I wasn't desperate.
I was mislead (polite term for lied-to) and it's ALL my fault. I believed these liars.
Same old wine in a brand-new bottle.

 

[nordo_2]

Yes, in fact if I worked there, I would probalby send in a card, because I would not care if it destroyed the company. But the union activist posters here, remind me of the never happy pro-union at former union airlines, I did not like it back then and I don't like it now. Hope everything works out.

I'm for seeking the middle way. A balance between the two opposing forces; management-labor. Too much power on one side or the other is always bad. You seem to paint any labor group supporter with the "you want to destroy the company" label.

Or, you confuse an accurate observation with unhappiness. Being critical, seeking improvements to one's work environment, doesn't necessarily equate to one's overall sense of happiness.

 

[Ski-N-Fly]

I am absolutely against destroying the company, ELT seems hell bent of doing just that, I am actually interested in making it great company and a place people want to work for.

To do that, I need a voice at the negotiating table. Not to make outrageous demands, but to create a working environment that fosters loyalty if you will.

Bigblue is on record as saying they can handle 20% attrition in the pilot group, but what major airline even worries about such numbers. I doubt any major airline CEO lays awake at night wonder if 20%, much less 5% will leave his airline.

It's a sad, downward spiral they find themselves in and it's all the ELT's fault. They have a most compliant, most willing, most productive pilot group, a group that asked for so incredibly little and yet, that was apparently way too much in their eyes!

Sadly, Dizel8, the fault also lies with this pilot group. We allowed this to happen. I can only hope and pray that enough no voters have seen the light. I believe the tide has turned, but at what cost? Time will tell.

Send in a card. Tell your friends to send in a card.

 

[Smarta$$]

Unfortunately, I still fly with no voters. Usually one common attribute, EXTREMELY politically conservative.

 

[N311HK]

Unfortunately, I still fly with no voters. Usually one common attribute, EXTREMELY politically conservative.

I'm a Lefty $$ and what you say is slightly true, it has nothing to do with our drive. Leave partisan crap out of here. After this last magic trick by the company we need don't need to piss anyone off

 

[Smarta$$]

I'm a Lefty $$ and what you say is slightly true, it has nothing to do with our drive. Leave partisan crap out of here. After this last magic trick by the company we need don't need to piss anyone off

Well, I'm just calling it as I see it. I am not trying to piss anyone off.

For me, this new policy really changes the way I view this company. They really F'd it this time.

I do suspect however that this is just another corporate preparation for the union.

 

[N311HK]

Oh totally agree. To me this is worse than anything so far. To drop in a policy within 24hrs of it going live is astonishing. This was the clincher. And of course this just another item we will have to negotiate back.

 

[Dizel8]

Well, I'm just calling it as I see it. I am not trying to piss anyone off.

For me, this new policy really changes the way I view this company. They really F'd it this time.

I do suspect however that this is just another corporate preparation for the union.

We told you, but you didn't believe it, perhaps now you see?

What union?

 

[Dizel8]

Oh totally agree. To me this is worse than anything so far. To drop in a policy within 24hrs of it going live is astonishing. This was the clincher. And of course this just another item we will have to negotiate back.

You must be new around here, this is just par for the course.

 

[N311HK]

You must be new around here, this is just par for the course.

7 years. I'm usually unemotional about the stuff they do. To me this is a big deal. I've understood that company will always try to screw us to save and make money, I get that. This is different.

 

[Dizel8]

7 years. I'm usually unemotional about the stuff they do. To me this is a big deal. I've understood that company will always try to screw us to save and make money, I get that. This is different.

My apologies, but think back over the 7 years you have been here, what have you gained, what have you lost? I think if you take a objective view, the minus column is bigger than the plus. Some things may not have hurt you as an individual, but it probably hurt the group as a whole.

Health care affected many last year, PP trigger and 13:30's, FSM rewrite, CSPP discount, int'l over ride, night over ride, etc., etc.!

 

[CapnVegetto]

Well, after this, they can simply kiss this pilot group goodbye.

If this doesn't procure a union vote, then I don't know what will.

 

[Blue Dude]

Well, after this, they can simply kiss this pilot group goodbye.

If this doesn't procure a union vote, then I don't know what will.

Sadly, that's what many said this time last year with the health plan changes. Sure, it bumped a few more off the fence but nothing has really changed.

 

[Golden Falcon]

How come they are called union busters? But when employees unionize and break a company they are never called "Company Busters"?

BTW That was almost enough for me to want to send in a card.

what company was busted by the unions ?

 

[pilotyip]

what company was busted by the unions ?

UAL, NWA, etc. GM, Chrysler, USSteel, should I go on?

 

[Splert]

UAL, NWA, etc. GM, Chrysler, USSteel, should I go on?

Sure they did.

How many GEOs do you own Mister Nissan. I have a Chevy Tahoe and a Honda Mini Van. We tried to buy an GM, Chevy or Chrysler van but they were and are crap. Is the design and R and D team at these corporation Union too.

UAL and NWA suffered due to 9/11. Executives did very well though.

 

[pilotyip]

Sure they did.

How many GEOs do you own Mister Nissan. I have a Chevy Tahoe and a Honda Mini Van. We tried to buy an GM, Chevy or Chrysler van but they were and are crap. Is the design and R and D team at these corporation Union too.

UAL and NWA suffered due to 9/11. Executives did very well though.

From the WSJ

In 1994 the UAW pushed GM into a deal it knew it could most likely not fulfill. It gave unlimited medical and COLA to retirees. GM knew a lengthy strike might drive them into BK. They had exhausted the equity markets, and borrowing was the only solution. Much like living off your credit cards. So they bet on maybe things would work, but they knew in the end they were in trouble. The power of a potential union strike drove them to make a bad management decision.

As they lost market share to foreign rivals, Detroit's auto makers and the UAW lost the power to set standards on labor costs. Yet during the prosperous 1990s, they seemed reluctant to accept the fact that their business model -- with its expensive defined-benefit health and pension programs -- was driving the domestic industry toward ruin. The UAW and its biggest employer have effectively conceded that their golden age of dominance is over.

GM executives consistently acknowledged that it couldn't be competitive in North America without a fundamental change in its labor-cost structure.

The UAW got a harsh lesson in the consequences of bankruptcy proceedings when former GM parts unit Delphi Corp. sought Chapter 11 protection in 2005, and pushed through substantial job and wage cuts under a deal subsidized by GM. In 2009 GM followed the same path.

GM's obligation to provide health care for 412,356 union members, retirees and surviving spouses lies at the heart of yesterday's agreement. Even after a partial overhaul of retiree health-care benefits in 2005, GM still faced a $51 billion obligation to UAW members. Health-care obligations added more than $1,900 to the cost of every GM vehicle sold in the U.S. in 2006, a heavy burden given that many GM vehicles sold for less than competing Toyota vehicles. There was no money to spend on better vehicles, the union had absorbed all of the profits.

BTW Many UAW members became millionaires wit the stock options offered in the 80?s, well the ones who took advantage of them.