Unical SLI is out...

[Remington]

Exactly General. Here comes Red, arrogance and all. How many times have we demonstrated the numerous benefits AirTran brought to the table: Planes, Options, International service, I.T. TECHNOLOGY, operational efficiencies, higher retirement company contribution, ATL access, etc. etc. Yet we keep hearing the same old BS line from him and his ilk while they steal every last AirTran 717 & 737 Capt. seat thus forcing an involuntary downgrade and associated pay cut, along with 25-35% loss of our seniority. "One LUV", "Golden Rule"...what a crock.

Word around the popcorn machine here at the FBO is that Citrus had Capt slots and walked from that deal.

 

[reepicheep]

What a shock that you don't understand what went on with this Award. Read it. You'll learn that these three arbitrators probably would've come up with exact same result as Nicolau. They would've fully considered the length of service of the furloughees and concluded their poor career expectation overrode it.

Furthermore, you Easties should learn once again that putting forth an unreasonable proposal only pisses of the arbitrators. After reading the text of this Award I believe it is completely reasonable. Assuming we progress to an AA-US SLI I pray USAPA learns from this since you're obviously incapable of doing so.

It's written in the award.....United "troubled" but not a chronic loser about to liquidate like usair was.....not like some previous mergers of unequals with one much weaker party (gee I wonder who they're referring to....)

 

[dicko]

You've got the wrong guy PCL.

I was never scared of arby. What did you bring? Parking passes? Please.

Funny isnt it - You sound exactly like the CAL and UAL pilots that spent a year arguing over the superiority of their respective airline. We can now see exactly what the result was. Even after this lesson you continue to do the same thing. The difference between you and them is this; neither you, nor your union had the integrity to use the arbitration process.

Even after this lesson in humility versus hubris, you continue to puff yourself up like a lizard and repeat the same tired hyperbole. Are you really that much of a fool, that even with this arbitration, you still can't see the forest ?

 

[TWA Dude]

Usair had 767 and 330's AW had .........

... a future beyond May, 2005.

You can blame Katz for the shoot for the moon mentality. Once again his entire proposal was thrown out due to being unreasonable and not following policy.

What's that old expression, fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me. Katz only gets a little blame -- both times.

 

[dicko]

Word around the popcorn machine here at the FBO is that Citrus had Capt slots and walked from that deal.

Do they talk about the decade of being forced to the bottom of the Captain list, until every SWA F.O. that is below you upgrades to seniority ahead of you ? The decade of being the junior Captain at every base in the system ? The loss of 35% seniority in exchange for the privilege of keeping the same seat ?

Too complicated for popcorn machine talk perhaps.

 

[eaglesview]

Hey TWA Dude

How can he get just a little blame???? He is/was the lead attorney...

"beyond May 2005" more speculation. How long was TWA, Mr TWA Dude, on it's last month?

 

[General Lee]

Word around the popcorn machine here at the FBO is that Citrus had Capt slots and walked from that deal.

Didn't your boss agree to arbitration in the Process Agreement if a SLI couldn't be agreed upon between unions? Do you always take the first deal offered to you? I guess everyone at AT learned that the hard way, and that doesn't promote loyalty.



Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[TWA Dude]

How can he get just a little blame???? He is/was the lead attorney...

Sorry, I didn't realize you had no understanding of what lawyers do. I'll try to keep it so simple even a USAPA apologist like you can understand. A client pays the lawyer for advice and representation. The client is free to accept or reject that advice and furthermore the lawyer is required to follow the client's legal strategy if so directed.

I don't know what went on between Katz and the CAL pilots. Maybe he told them to be more moderate and they chose not to. Even if he didn't, they should've known better.

"beyond May 2005" more speculation.

Perhaps, but extremely well-founded speculation. Speculation all analysts agreed on. Speculation just about every USAir pilot in 2005 knew but chooses to lie about now.

 

[General Lee]

Double post



Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[bluefin]

In the next 5 yrs if @#$% hits the fan and the company has to furlough, it will be all the UAL guys again before a single CAL pilot will be furloughed. So as the bottom guy being a CAL dude, he basically has over 1,000 people below him for job security!!! I think that is a serious windfall for the CAL guys. It's just a matter of time till furlough #3 happens for us twice furloughed, forever $%^&#@ pilots. It was even offered by ALPA!!!

 

[Turtle21]

Is this thread about UAL CAL? WTF are other airlines taking a dump in here?

 

[eaglesview]

Sorry, I didn't realize you had no understanding of what lawyers do. I'll try to keep it so simple even a USAPA apologist like you can understand. A client pays the lawyer for advice and representation. The client is free to accept or reject that advice and furthermore the lawyer is required to follow the client's legal strategy if so directed.

I don't know what went on between Katz and the CAL pilots. Maybe he told them to be more moderate and they chose not to. Even if he didn't, they should've known better.Perhaps, but extremely well-founded speculation. Speculation all analysts agreed on. Speculation just about every USAir pilot in 2005 knew but chooses to lie about now.

Whatever.....I don't agree but also don't care. Good luck over there. I am glad ours is finished so we can move on.

 

[SimHo]

Every CAL pilot who feels they got screwed (as most of us do) needs to file a dispute.

 

[eaglesview]

Good luck with that.

 

[redflyer65]

Funny isnt it - You sound exactly like the CAL and UAL pilots that spent a year arguing over the superiority of their respective airline. We can now see exactly what the result was. Even after this lesson you continue to do the same thing. The difference between you and them is this; neither you, nor your union had the integrity to use the arbitration process.

Even after this lesson in humility versus hubris, you continue to puff yourself up like a lizard and repeat the same tired hyperbole. Are you really that much of a fool, that even with this arbitration, you still can't see the forest ?

I sound like CAL and UAL pilots? I'm not knowledgeable enough about their situations. On the surface, I'd say they had similar career expectations like NW/DAL. That wasn't the case with AAI and SW. Sorry, but those are just the objective facts. It never was a merger of equals....from any metric.

Arbitration? I was ready for it. I voted No Dicko. Now it's over, except when d-bags like the General (who has some bizarre obsession with it) and PCL128 decide to pontificate on what SHOULD HAVE HAPPENED. The arby arguments would have been interesting. The only thing you guys had to give was seniority to a company that was five times larger. The career earnings/stability/expectations between the two companies was stark.

I will apologize for posting this on a UCAL thread. I've been trying to not post on here and this will be the last one.

Good luck UCAL guys.