Unical SLI is out...

[Double Shot]

Pcl
When's your last day again?

Thx in advance

 

[kwick]

Why didn't binding arbitration happen at Airtran? What magical powers did SWAPA have to force an agreement prior to binding arbitration?

It's called coercion, and there are people who believe that people who
break the law should be in jail.

In Texas, apparently, Genghis Khan and his cohorts are above the law.

 

[Flopgut]

The exact Xs and Os are what they are. It's basically a fair integration. But to get that fair integration out of LUAL pilots? This is an enormous win for Continental pilots! That can not be stressed enough. These same senior LUAL pilots have put their fellow ALPA pilots on the street and then flew their airplanes for 15 years. We out maneuvered LUAL on many levels.

 

[eaglesview]

The exact Xs and Os are what they are. It's basically a fair integration. But to get that fair integration out of LUAL pilots? This is an enormous win for Continental pilots! That can not be stressed enough. These same senior LUAL pilots have put their fellow ALPA pilots on the street and then flew their airplanes for 15 years. We out maneuvered LUAL on many levels.

Whew!! I am so glad you think that way. Should keep us both happy which is what we wanted.

 

[Secret Squirrel]

What other pilot groups has Katz worked with?

AirTran.

 

[LiveFreeorDie]

Is this thread about UAL CAL? WTF are other airlines taking a dump in here?

Because they are so myopic and narsissistic they can't for one second process, let alone intelligently discuss, any info not directly related to their own egos.

 

[PCL_128]

AirTran.

Not really. Our Merger Committee was too incompetent to allow Katz to actually do his job for us.

 

[Andy]

What other pilot groups has Katz worked with?

Besides USAir east and AirTran (already mentioned), he also represented Northwest in the Delta merger. And he's got several other losses in arbitration vs Freund.
Katz sux.

 

[luv2fly]

Not really. Our Merger Committee was too incompetent to allow Katz to actually do his job for us.

Let me get this straight, F.O O, you are proclaiming some sort of projection that if AirTran would've went to arbitration you would have gotten something like the United folks got? Wow, you have a great imagination. IMO, Katz is the idiot that came up with CAL's strategy, he is also the same idiot that you guys hired and listened to, to develop your rant about "somewhere between DoH and relative". You guys would've came in with some over the top list and gotten the smack down, just like CAL did. Don't fool yourself!

If you think Katz "actually doing his job for..(you)" is a good thing you are not quite as bright as you think you are! Katz is batting basically .000!!!

 

[Andy]

Let me get this straight, F.O O, you are proclaiming some sort of projection that if AirTran would've went to arbitration you would have gotten something like the United folks got?

The 'United folks' got skrewed. Major windfall for LCAL; the problem with LCAL's perception is that they wanted an even bigger windfall than they got.

 

[jtm2222]

Bottom of the list got screwed! F**k alpa. I'll never wear that pin again!

 

[bladeusa]

boy that will fix things... good plan.

 

[Dan Roman]

Is this thread about UAL CAL? WTF are other airlines taking a dump in here?

Gotta laugh at quickly DAL/SWA creeped into this. Amazing.

 

[bladeusa]

dont get me wrong, i certainly understand the need to vent... best wishes going forward.

 

[bpapaDC8]

Gotta laugh at quickly DAL/SWA creeped into this. Amazing.

They seem to own this board. We're just missing some East vs West to make the drift complete!

 

[Flyer1015]

Why does ALPA even bother? Why waste everyone's time in neogtiations among pilot groups for a SLI? In recent history, no one has agreed outside binding arbitration - except Airtran but that was basically at gun point. DAL/NWA, UAL/CAL, 9E/XJ/9L, USAir/AWA all went to binding arbitration. ALPA's official stance should be just binding arbitration because it allows them to just dust their hands clean and walk away with the responsibility thrown on a geriatric lawyer.

 

[Bringupthebird]

ALPA's official stance should be just binding arbitration because it allows them to just dust their hands clean and walk away with the responsibility thrown on a geriatric lawyer.

EXACTLY! Ask USAPA how they plan to get away with trying to pretend to represent all of the pilots while obviously choosing one side over the other. ALPA should eliminate the waste of time that is negotiations and go straight to arbitration. The arbitrator has no interest in the outcome, while the double-agent union has to placate the larger dues source or risk them bolting. In Prater's case they did both.

 

[K-Mart]

Not really. Our Merger Committee was too incompetent to allow Katz to actually do his job for us.

Funny I heard he recommended letting the rank and file vote on AIP1.

 

[PCL_128]

Funny I heard he recommended letting the rank and file vote on AIP1.

You heard wrong.

 

[K-Mart]

You heard wrong.

Heard he didn't like the deal but thought it should go to the rank and file cause of SWA history on acquisitions and taking employees. But I'll take your word or it.