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Ahahaha! Check out Red's ego! What a dooshe. How many 737-700s and -800 options did they bring over, and yet they didn't get one 737 Capt slot? Wow! Doooooshe!


Bye Bye---General Lee
Exactly General. Here comes Red, arrogance and all. How many times have we demonstrated the numerous benefits AirTran brought to the table: Planes, Options, International service, I.T. TECHNOLOGY, operational efficiencies, higher retirement company contribution, ATL access, etc. etc. Yet we keep hearing the same old BS line from him and his ilk while they steal every last AirTran 717 & 737 Capt. seat thus forcing an involuntary downgrade and associated pay cut, along with 25-35% loss of our seniority. "One LUV", "Golden Rule"...what a crock.
 
Ahahaha! Check out Red's ego! What a dooshe. How many 737-700s and -800 options did they bring over, and yet they didn't get one 737 Capt slot? Wow! Doooooshe!


Bye Bye---General Lee

For one farking time can you two little boys run along and slap each other outside. The biggest SLI between two legacies occurred tonight and yet we still have to pass over Internet diarrhea from our resident DAL and LUV clowns! Exactly why FI has gone down the tubes in recent years.
 
Read all 57 pages of the opinion and then consider whether or not the CAL atty's did "an outstanding job."

My favorite quote from page 22: "Not surprisingly, the ISL produced by the CAL Committee's fatally defective methodology is neither fair nor equitable."

That about sums it up.

See you out on the line.

SCR

Where did you find a copy of the opinion? I only found the actual list.
 
The CAL ALPA page only has a link to the actual list. Does anyone have a copy, or a link to a copy, of the opinion?
 
I don't feel like I won. I feel like I did a round with Tyson, then got passed around for cigarettes at San Quentin. And who says people that were close to upgrade now face being out on the street when a hiccup comes along? Ie Syria......Mideast blows up.

Did you read number 7 on the Arbitration Award?
It should give you a little help for the next 5 years starting from today.
 
Read all 57 pages of the opinion and then consider whether or not the CAL atty's did "an outstanding job."

My favorite quote from page 22: "Not surprisingly, the ISL produced by the CAL Committee's fatally defective methodology is neither fair nor equitable."

That about sums it up.

See you out on the line.

SCR

What I meant was, they did they best they could, IMO. But I'm not an attorney. Clearly the arbitrators didn't see it that way.
 
CAL '05/'06 hires merged in with UAL '98 hires is a 'slaughtering'?

If measuring seniority list integrations was from a purely DOH perspective then your questioning might hold water. But the reason these things go through a complex legal process, where both sides present their case, is because other important variables are added in (status/ category, career expectations, etc). A 1998 hire is super junior at UAL; or at least was until this award. He, or she, gains big, while that '05 hire moves backwards in actual percentage. So they move up (GAIN SENIORITY), we move back (LOSE SENIORITY) A windfall for the UAL group.

That and FURLOUGHED pilots, that is, those WITHOUT A JOB, get merged in with active. Again, a windfall. I don't see how the arbitrators saw it differently. But they did. So it is what it is.

And yet, I noticed they seem admit the "award" for our side is unfair anyway but so what. On page 23 they say:

"At the end of the day, despite our best efforts, we were unable to find a way to adjust or modify the CAL Committee's list build model to produce an acceptably fair and equitable ISL. Even with a different snapshot date, contrived differentials premised on post-merger changes inflating premerger career expectations still drive that ersatz ratioed model."


Like I said, it is what it is. A binding award that, unless fraud can be proved, cannot be overturned. Sooooooo...
Congrats to the UAL guys. They won, we lost. We move on from here.

But word to the gloaters, try to be professional. You don't need to point out the obvious.
 
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Currently at 62 percent relative seniority on the CAL side, now about 72 percent on the ISL. 2005 hire, mixd with UAL 1998 hires.

I feel like it's age 65 all over again! I knew it would be bad, but honestly didn't think it would be this bad. Deep down, I always felt the CAL proposal was too aggressive. We might of paid the price for that.

Anyway, time to move on. Congrats to the LUAL guys, see ya on line.
 
Does the 5-year fence on the A350 begin once it is on property or does it start now (even though not here) and work out to 3 years after eventual delivery?
 
For one farking time can you two little boys run along and slap each other outside. The biggest SLI between two legacies occurred tonight and yet we still have to pass over Internet diarrhea from our resident DAL and LUV clowns! Exactly why FI has gone down the tubes in recent years.

This^^^ Other airlines can shut it for a few days on unrelated threads-
 

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