Uncle Jerry's Visit to The ASA Crew Rm

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Vee One:

Thanks, but no, I'm not running. But as a joke, someone could put "~~~^~~~" as a write in candidate. It would be amusing to see the results.

If running, it would be unwise to put my cards on the table like that. I sure do appreciate the folks who do take on the task. It is not an easy job.

 

[socony_air]

OK...Again, not here to argue the RJDC - You, myself & a huge portion of our union are never going to agree on this. Set aside your version of 2000 however - what is the lawsuit about now??? All Delta flying by Delta Pilots is for the Pilots at Delta to decide and/or negotiate.

What is the lawsuit about now??? Hide behind DFR all you want, but the Short answer: money. The union has it - someone else wants it.

I agree that a "strong national union" would benefit all pilots. I don't agree that suing your own union for CASH & pissing off a huge portion of the pilots already serving the union is the best way to benefit all pilots. Work it out within the union & let the money stay where it will serve all of us, not just the RJDC windfallees (wc).

ALL that aside. Truce. White Flag. Whatever on the RJDC, 'cause it's going nowhere & I don't really care. My question is: with all your interest in my prior statements..... are you voting for Lynn Jackson?

 

[VeeOne]

ALL that aside. Truce. White Flag. Whatever on the RJDC, 'cause it's going nowhere & I don't really care. My question is: with all your interest in my prior statements..... are you voting for Lynn Jackson?

Why do you need to know who he's voting for- gonna try and change his mind like everyone on this board things they're going to do? Vote for who YOU want-just be willing to live with it either way and know what YOUR vote means.

 

[~~~^~~~]

What is the lawsuit about now??? Hide behind DFR all you want, but the Short answer: money. The union has it - someone else wants it.

Work it out within the union & let the money stay where it will serve all of us, not just the RJDC windfallees (wc).

ALL that aside. Truce. White Flag. Whatever on the RJDC, 'cause it's going nowhere & I don't really care.

Sorry (really sorry) but you asked the question and your civil debate deserves a thoughtful reply.

The lawsuit is about Representation. Your confusion about "representation" is understandable because you probably have not seen it. You are not alone, ALPA's senior leadership, including Mr. Woerth were unable to describe what a "Fiduciary Duty" is when deposed on their obligations to their membership.

So illustrate things in more concrete terms, how about a balance of power? A judiciary where disputes between MEC's could be resolved? How about no more jets for jobs cram downs and no more Compass / Mesaba debacles?

MEC's need to work together, both when it is convenient and particularly when it is inconvenient. ALPA decided that regionals were not going to get effective scope because mainline MEC's deemed it a threat to their power. Now this policy has come full circle and Delta's and NorthWest's rates on similar equipment undermine ASA, while ASA's airplanes are being transferred out of the ALPA's membership. I don't care who you are or where your career is going, the Northwest MEC Chairman said it best when he proclaimed that flying at NorthWest would never return to the career it was.

ALPA (representing Comair, ASA and Delta) was in negotiations with Delta on all three carriers simultaneously for years. How easy would it have been to stop the erosion of Delta's flying while preserving the security of pilots then? In fact, serious discussions about tripartied negotiations did happen. However, ALPA lacked the structure to make it happen. Fixing that structure so that pilots have a voice when their wages and working conditions are being negotiated is what the litigation is about.

ALPA has no obligation to SkyWest, or Chautauqua, or Republic Pilots. But they seem to reap most of the benefits of ALPA's infighting. ALPA desperately needs a way to prevent MEC's from negotiating in a predatory fashion to harm other ALPA members. In fact, our new EVP Tom Zebarini proposed a resolution to stop MEC's from negotiating phantom pay rates on each other's airplanes. This is good, but we need coordination from the top of ALPA's structure to come together as a cohesive force to restore our profession.

OK, I'm willing to call a truce if you are

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[ohplease!]

He is not a timid little worm like you.

thougt you were coming last night for that "beer" I promised you...what happened? Get lost on your way or is all that "billy bad a$$" talk just that? hmmm. Yeah, I thought so.

 

[socony_air]

OK Fins.... I specifically recall asking two questions in my last post....

But I'll accept the truce on the one & the silence on the latter

Good to know that changing the "structure" is what it's all about and that NO MONEY WILL EVER CHANGE HANDS - According to Fins. Right Fins???

OK....truce on.....now.

 

[FightingIrish]

I believe the answer is to vote in different reps who will be reasonable in the demands made to ASA. Its now up to us to effect some change.

I agree, and so do many others.

 

[FightingIrish]

Not that you'll change your mind about your vote, but Nick Tomlin and Danny Utley are also running for Capt's reps for the two LEC Council positions, by far better choices than the LJ Coalition.

I like both Danny and Nick. I have worked with both of them and they are good people. However they represent the same thing we have now. Danny was on the MEC, and Nick is the strike committee chairman. The current approach isn't working. Asking for the moon, hoping for a release, and watching 70's go to Skywest isn't a viable plan for me. I am voting for the LJ Coalition - its time to get this done and move on.

 

["GO AROUND"]

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One tough nut to crack is the training department. We have some of the best IP's around and I think we should keep our IP's and Standards guys in place. Current book is higher than industry average, but we do get what we pay for. Perhaps there is some room to outsource more while keeping our guys in place at the top of the IP food chain. After all, the current stagnation and fleet re-allocation is very inefficient. SkyWest admitted in the conference call that the 900 & 700 re-allocation was increasing SkyWest's costs. Growth would do a lot to cure the cost problem. Also, the current IP rates were a reaction of a desperate ASA management to keep IP's lat time hiring got hot. All indications are that hiring will get hot again, maybe in 2007, and if that is the case, ASA might once again need to retain IP's by paying them a good wage for their work.

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The IP's have gotten together themselves and put a proposal together that would get their costs in line with what managment wants. It was given to the company and ALPA to be discussed when they meet again. This was told to me by a few IP's and I believe most if not all the IP's were ok with it. I think it has a lot to do in making them more efficient and productive.

So I believe the IP section is not a factor anymore.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

thougt you were coming last night for that "beer" I promised you...what happened? Get lost on your way or is all that "billy bad a$$" talk just that? hmmm. Yeah, I thought so.

Who the heck are you taking a poke at? You are the coward who lacks the testicular fortitude and conviction of beliefs to stand up and be counted in the crew lounge.

This is FI. Your opinion means exactly jack $hit until you stand up and tell people what you believe in a real life forum, like the crew lounge or an MEC or LEC meeting.

RIght now you are just another cowrdly, sniping, Flight Info jerkoff.

 

[VeeOne]

It's good to know that there is light at the end of the tunnel. Hopefully we get a contract that allows us to move forward in this deal with a good amount of compromise between both management and our pilot group. I tend to agree with Irish- Danny and Nick are great guys, but don't necessarily represent the path or the change that I'M looking for. Hence, I'm running out of candidates to vote for and it narrows the ballot.

 

[Bizjet]

thougt you were coming last night for that "beer" I promised you...what happened? Get lost on your way or is all that "billy bad a$$" talk just that? hmmm. Yeah, I thought so.

1. I don't drink!

2. If I did I would only drink with those I choose to associate with!

3. I would not choose to associate with an anti-union, pro-management, ALPA volunteer basher like you.

4. I didn't want you to waste an hour of your family time. You can't do ALPA work because you want to spend more time with the family. I suggest you stay out of the bars and off the keyboard and that should provide all the time your family could stand with you.

5. I didn't respond to your PM because I had rather do my Jepps revisions than associate with you.

6. Next time you attend an LEC meeting you can share your anti-ALPA feelings with all of the attendees. Maybe you can call the CNC members liars there as well.

 

[FightingIrish]

Who the heck are you taking a poke at? You are the coward who lacks the testicular fortitude and conviction of beliefs to stand up and be counted in the crew lounge.

This is FI. Your opinion means exactly jack $hit until you stand up and tell people what you believe in a real life forum, like the crew lounge or an MEC or LEC meeting.

RIght now you are just another cowrdly, sniping, Flight Info jerkoff.

Why are you "stay the course" guys so nasty towards anyone who questions that course? You can be pro-union and still question the union. Grow up and quit attacking people just because they have different opinions.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

Why are you "stay the course" guys so nasty towards anyone who questions that course? You can be pro-union and still question the union. Grow up and quit attacking people just because they have different opinions.

I respect people that stand up and let their opinion be known.

I respect people that disagree with the current course the MEC is on, even though they are in the minority.

I have ZERO respect for cowards on FI who say one thing behind an anonymous keyboard, but never voice a word in a crew lounge or meeting where it counts.

Flight Info rants have ZERO credibility. Come to an LEC and speak yur mind, your opinion counts and SHOULD be heard.

How do we know that all these posters are even ASA pilots and not mgt or F&H $hit disturbers?

I never hear the likes of ohplease or you in the crew lounge. I have flown with exactly ONE pilot who first hand spoke the LJ/JB mantra. ONE.

So until all you dissenters come forward and make your opinions and feeling known to the MEC in a forum where you can be indentified and there for given some credibility, it is just noise.

Clear enough?

Stand up for what you belive and you will be counted, and respected. Snipe on Flight Info, and you will be ridiculed.

It's really quite simple.

 

[Tomct]

I like both Danny and Nick. I have worked with both of them and they are good people. However they represent the same thing we have now. Danny was on the MEC, and Nick is the strike committee chairman. The current approach isn't working. Asking for the moon, hoping for a release, and watching 70's go to Skywest isn't a viable plan for me. I am voting for the LJ Coalition - its time to get this done and move on.

Then Irish, you are not very smart! They will sell your soul down the road, and if you think that is better than what we have now, then you better WAKE UP!! The idiot group you are thinking of voting in are nothing more than a bunch of mgmnt lackeys who will sell your and everyother pilots soul down the road! They are PATHETIC individuals! But if that is who you think will do such a good job for you.....well then you might as well Bend Over and get ready for the Big Screw Job!!

 

[Tomct]

I agree, and so do many others.

Fortunately not NEARLY enough to vote those 4 IDIOTS in....Thank Goodness!

 

[scarlet]

I guess he was laughing when ASA is at the bottom of every list on time, baggage, deined boarding !!! Keep up the good owrk.... dragging your feet pilots IT IS WORKING !!!! When ESPN tells everyone on Saturday morning football that ASA sucks you know it is bad !!

 

[BCpilot81]

I guess he was laughing when ASA is at the bottom of every list on time, baggage, deined boarding !!! Keep up the good owrk.... dragging your feet pilots IT IS WORKING !!!! When ESPN tells everyone on Saturday morning football that ASA sucks you know it is bad !!

Well not to defend a flawed operation and a draggin a$$ company but...

BAGGAGE......Delta Main Line does that (90% are late because they have to check in with their parole officers.)

Denied Boarding.....Many things come to mind but, ASIG does a great job when they SHOW UP on over-fueling.

ON TIME..... When we are not parking at C, then have to go to D to get the next flight due to an archaic airport design (and the wonderful and motivated ramp staff that park everyone right away), we get right on the job.

However, when the cabin needs to be cleaned, the FA needs catering and we need gas; then bodies to push the damn plane back and remember to give us the paperwork, we can leave.

In short, JA really needs to look internally at HIS mgmt. to see the reason for his laughing. I would love to see him the crew lounge, and I would love to be a fly on the wall when he gets the memo that his pilots voted to UNIONIZE!

 

[HelloNewman]

Fortunately not NEARLY enough to vote those 4 IDIOTS in....Thank Goodness!

Yea because you have really had all the answers before. Yeah what was that about all the plane transfers being stopped? Oh wait it is still going on. Maybe if you looked at the transfer schedule first. Lets face it sir you are in the minority. Your anger blinds you. Your pilot group will vote for what they think is best and you have no control over that. Not gloating just fact. I am not proud of what is going on but it is what it is.

 

[Jack-O-Lantern]

Why are you "stay the course" guys so nasty towards anyone who questions that course? You can be pro-union and still question the union. Grow up and quit attacking people just because they have different opinions.

Because he's a fluuzy