UAX De-ice Brake Drop Issue - Chicago

[hou757]

You don't have to "demand" to be payed.

DOOR CLOSED, DROP THE BRAKE.

You get paid when you do that. You don't have to "demand" anything.

Demand to get this fixed!!

 

[vtech]

This isn't hard. If the door is closed and you drop the brake, there's nothing to fix. You're getting paid as you should.

 

[Aerosurfer]

You remind me of the guy i'm flying with right now, no common sense on knows what the book says

oh c'mon now dont leave us hanging........ Deets

 

[OARfan]

Man you guys are getting robbed.... Why not tie the ACARS to the WOW switch while you are at it. The other guys are right. It's between the company and your union. What, no union? You are so screwed...

I have never heard of not getting paid during De-Ice. EVER.

Yeah you have. At Mesa you get paid Scheduled block time no matter what. Same at Horizon. So you're not getting paid to get deiced. Mesa sucks

 

[say again]

Drop the brake. You stated no one gets in trouble for it, so what's the problem?

 

[chqflyer]

The geniouses at Yonited decreed that if there is more than a one minute difference between the time the brake is released and the time you push, you start getting paid based on the time you push. Been dinged a couple times on this both in ORD and IAD. F*****g bean counters.

 

[vtech]

chqflyer,

"Yonited" doesn't have a thing to do with how a Skywest pilot gets paid. It's all about door closed and brake released. If those two things happen the block time starts for pay. Not sure how it is where you work.

 

[chqflyer]

We get paid based on ACARS time as well. The ramp controllers keep a log of when we actually push and either they or someone else up the chain of command has the authority to change your OUT time. Let's say you drop the brake right at scheduled departure time but don't push for ten minutes due to traffic behind you. Your OUT time will be adjusted by ten minutes. It's called the ERB. Early brake release. Just seems downright stupid.

 

[vtech]

chqflyer,

That's not something that has happened at Skywest as far as I know. If it does, the feds need to be involved. Someone is goofing with your block time and that's not right. The Department of Labor refers to it as "working off the clock." That's not permitted. Could be downright illegal.

 

[chqflyer]

It is downright fishy, and I am keeping track of instances where I have seen it. We supposedly have folks higher up the foodchain investigating, so we'll see. I agree that this does seem like fudging of the numbers, but it is based on a direct edict from United. Now that I think about it, I wish I cold post the official memo on the matter but the company is now very hush, hush secret squirl about memos these days. Every memo has a little warning atatched to it reminding you that you will be terminated if you diseminate the information in the memo. I'd better shut my trap, the black helicopters are hovering.

 

[crxpilot]

If the logbook says you blocked out at XX:XX time, then there is no way they can be manipulating your block time. The logbook rules!

 

[OPECJet]

How do you drop the "break"? It's brake.... Break is what you do because of all this BS you're talking about.....

 

[chqflyer]

If the logbook says you blocked out at XX:XX time, then there is no way they can be manipulating your block time. The logbook rules!

I fully agree. The ACARS times go in the book and that's what I log. I caught the differences when I reviewed crew-trac times. There were no 30/7 issues or any other reasons for anyone to "massage" the numbers. I did point it out to the appropriate folks and it's being looked into.

 

[buscap]

Am I the only one outraged by how ridiculous it is that we don't get paid during the deice procedures at the gate? With the door closed, full of passengers? Do United Airlines pilots, or other UAX carriars have to follow the same procedures as SKYW? It has been explained to me that due to "contractual language" we aren't able to drop the brake in the CRJ and start getting paid. I am responsible for my aircraft and passengers if anything happens during this time, why no pay me? Its bad enough we don't get paid for the 15 mins before or after a flight when we work the hardest...but this is an insult.

So, file a grievance with your union...oh....I'm sorry...nevermind.

 

[Microclimates]

Here is another reason why this sucks:

performance rewards... we can't get decent on-time departures as long as any deicing happens before push. So yes, many drop the brakes and get paid but

1) our numbers suck (you get either audited/fined by UA, or the out time is fixed by EBR, or you take it in the can and block out late) so crappy quarter results, (=big savings for UA) and
2) since all the contracts have performance benchmarks, that gives UA a way to put pressure on our contracts... or am I reading too much into this? not to mention that they are trying to fine us millions of dollars for previous EBR that have already been audited...

This falls into the UA pattern: can't make any money the normal business way (ie having customers pay for their service) so, let's screw the emplyees/partners into bumping up UA's revenue (EBR fines, travel benefits charges, etc) what a great business plan.

 

[LewisU_Pilot]

I am not 100% on this however I have a good friend who works signature at ORD. About 5-6 months ago I recall her telling me how the company (United maybe?)came to signature wanting them to log when their aircraft actually push. They then use that time called for push and compare it to the time the brake is dropped. So when you call for push they enter it in their computers and it logs that time. Maybe if they see it off by a lot from brake drop they call you in for a carpet dance? Like I said tho I am not 100% sure on this since it didn't involve AE I didn't really care. I can see this being a way to catch ya.

 

[jws717]

Release the parking break to do the anti-skid test. Woops we got an out time, my bad.

 

[Baronman]

I suggest you send a "nastygram" to your management. Tell them what you think and if you're lucky you won't get fired.

 

[b82rez]

Can you guys stop saying "drop the brake"

 

[say again]

Can you guys stop saying "drop the brake"

Why??