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[netjetwife]

Galaxy, you'll just have to use your cockpit concentration skills and overlook the boots, please. They are fun and fit with my boot campaign. Maybe my red boots will be better.... As far as my support goes, the other frac pilots had it as soon as I realized that they were also as badly underpaid as the NJ pilots used to be. I admire the Options pilotgroup for collectively taking a stand and I will cheer loudly when they win/achieve a contract.
Best Wishes,
Netjetwife

 

[B19 Flyer]

The question was posed to politely suggest that posters (like B19) actually stick to events happening in the frac industry when they discuss unions.

I prefer to stick to the historical facts of unions.

A union is a union.


http://airlinesafety.com/Unions/index.htm

www.unionfacts.com

 

[netjetwife]

Oh Galaxy! Look at that! The village idiot is lose again.... and he's standing on the village square flinging FUD and screaming that the sky is falling. Watch the NJ pilots give him a wide berth on their way to the bank to deposit their signing bonus and ignore him as they window shop, looking at how much they can buy with their recent pay raise and yawning at his FUD rants which are totally irrelevant to their lives. There go the Options pilots just bypassing him on their way to the meeting hall/bargaining table, knowing full well that their fight for a professional contract and industry standard wages is justified and fair. Their families and neighbors stand beside them cheering them on in their struggle for parity.

Metaphors aside, I prefer to deal with reality and the present situation faced by frac pilots. Could you Options pilots please post your current salary here so that all may see for themselves exactly why it was necessary to take a stand. Could you update us on the status of your benefits and QOL on the road, too? Many of us know that both have been under constant attack since you dared to organize your efforts to gain a contract, but perhaps shock treatment might do our resident lunatic some good....

 

[B19 Flyer]

Oh Galaxy! Look at that! The village idiot is lose again.... and he's standing on the village square flinging FUD and screaming that the sky is falling. Watch the NJ pilots give him a wide berth on their way to the bank to deposit their signing bonus and ignore him as they window shop, looking at how much they can buy with their recent pay raise and yawning at his FUD rants which are totally irrelevant to their lives. There go the Options pilots just bypassing him on their way to the meeting hall/bargaining table, knowing full well that their fight for a professional contract and industry standard wages is justified and fair. Their families and neighbors stand beside them cheering them on in their struggle for parity.

Metaphors aside, I prefer to deal with reality and the present situation faced by frac pilots. Could you Options pilots please post your current salary here so that all may see for themselves exactly why it was necessary to take a stand. Could you update us on the status of your benefits and QOL on the road, too? Many of us know that both have been under constant attack since you dared to organize your efforts to gain a contract, but perhaps shock treatment might do our resident lunatic some good....

And while you are at it, post the pay scales of the "Industry Leading Contracts" for United, Delta and American before AND after they were forced into bankruptcy by the unions.

Oh, and don't forget to do the correction for the lost health benefits and pensions.

A Dead Goose Can't Tell the Difference

http://www.nrtwc.org/newsroom/383.htm

Last month, a Chicago bankruptcy judge approved a settlement authorizing the taxpayer-backed Pension Benefit Guarantee Corporation (PBGC) to take over $6.6 billion in United Airlines pension liabilities.
Plenty of people have reason to be unhappy about the settlement.
According to a press release issued by Big Labor Congressman George Miller (D-Calif.), the United-PBGC deal will “result in an average 25% to 50% [pension] cut for most active and retired United employees, from customer service representatives to flight crew members.”
Meanwhile, taxpayer advocates fear that now that United has received a judicial green light to dump its pensions on a federal government agency, other struggling airlines will do the same. Money-hemorrhaging auto and steel companies may then follow suit. Ultimately, the PBGC could go belly-up, resulting in a massive federal taxpayer-funded bailout dwarfing the $200 billion S&L fiasco of the late eighties.
Pilots union officials also claim they are victims of the United settlement. However, the reality is that they have made out very well at the expense of rank-and-file members, United shareholders, and (potentially) federal taxpayers.
The federal Railway Labor Act (RLA) empowers pilots and other airline union bosses to act as the “exclusive” (monopoly) bargaining agents of airline employees in contract negotiations over pay, benefits, and working conditions. And as an additional privilege, the RLA authorizes union officials to force employees, like it or not, to pay dues or “fees” to their union monopoly-bargaining agent. Employees who refuse get fired.
The deal is especially sweet for the hierarchy of the Airline Pilots Association (ALPA) and other pilots unions. Nearly 60% of America’s pilots, including nearly all pilots for major carriers, are subject to union monopoly-bargaining control. And, unlike for most other union officials, the forced dues and “fees” that pilots union bosses collect are typically tallied as a percentage of pilots’ earnings, not as a fixed amount per member.
Consequently, whenever pilots’ pay goes up, ALPA union officials automatically rake in more forced dues.
Over the years, officials of the ALPA’s United division have thus had a powerful incentive in contract negotiations to encourage the company to underfund its pension program and put the money in pilots’ paychecks instead.
Together with machinists union officials, that’s just what the pilots union brass did. And to get what they wanted, they repeatedly threatened illegal strikes and engaged in illegal work slowdowns, as Wall Street Journal editor Holman Jenkins recalled in a May 25 column.



As recently as five years ago, then-ALPA chief Rick Dubinsky was still bragging about this strategy, Mr. Jenkins added. In 2000, Mr. Dubinsky famously told United management:

“We don’t want to kill the golden goose. We just want to choke it by the neck until it gives us every last egg.”​

But current ALPA President Duane Woerth seems to suffer from amnesia when it comes to the ALPA’s long record of intimidating the only sporadically profitable United into signing contracts that rapidly expanded the union’s forced-dues cash flow, but put employees’ pension funds at risk. The pension catastrophe is all management’s fault, Mr. Woerth pathetically insists.
Unfortunately for federal taxpayers and millions of other unionized workers, besides United there are thousands of other American companies whose PBGC-backed pension plans are now grossly underfunded, often because the companies themselves have been rendered uncompetitive by Big Labor featherbedding and wasteful work rules.
The PBGC estimates that single- and multi-employer plans combined now have a total liability of $600 billion. And it’s overwhelmingly unionized workers in industries like airlines, autos and auto parts, steel, trucking, construction, and groceries whose pensions are in jeopardy.
It may already be too late to spare taxpayers the enormous expense of bailing out the PBGC as more and more unionized businesses find they are unable to meet their pension obligations. But Congress can still protect countless employees and employers from future pension meltdowns by repealing all federal labor-law provisions that authorize union monopoly bargaining and forced-dues assessments.
While additional reforms to safeguard pensions are undoubtedly warranted, labor-law reform alone would empower independent-minded employees to reject deals forged by union officials, who, experience shows, often place little value on employees’ retirement security.
Employees who have the legal freedom, when they personally deem it best, to forge their own contract agreements with their employers are more secure employees. That’s the single most important lesson of the United pension default, and one on which Congress should take action without delay.

 

[Whoosh!]

B19, is the problem that you haven't been laid in a while or something? If so, bashing union labor certainly won't help.

 

[HiSpeedFlyer]

I prefer to stick to the historical facts of unions.

A union is a union.


http://airlinesafety.com/Unions/index.htm

www.unionfacts.com

Oh dear,....so much for my lurking mode I promised myself after the IBB Victory......



I was told once by a far wiser MAN than myself (and he was a management type, go figure.) and you, not that that matters much here, that success is a two way street. Look at the cooperation betweeen 1108 and NJ management recently and you'll see that not all unions are created equal. 1108 has simply set a path for success for all to follow.

There are Pilot Unions, and there is 1108.
There is no comparison.


:angryfire Your turn, Sparky.:angryfire





Regards, NJW!

 

[bchjetdrvr]

Unreal Aviation News
The Thin Newswire:

UPDATE:​

Chief Investigator H. Dick sadly reported today that it is highly unlikely to find the missing B1.9". We now know that he was hijacked, just like this thread!"

NOT TO BE CONT'D

 

[netjetwife]

... Look at the cooperation betweeen 1108 and NJ management recently and you'll see that not all unions are created equal. 1108 has simply set a path for success for all to follow. ... Regards, NJW!

Hello, HSF! I enjoyed your gracious note, (hug the kids for me) and it's fun to post with you. I'm glad you quit lurking. Perhaps you will be so kind as to hold up an umbrella when the chunks of sky start falling. After all you're one of those greedy NJ FOs who had the nerve to want to support his family on the earnings of a professional pilot. Tsk, tsk, surely you're feeling guilty that you can now afford to make NJA a career rather than a stepping stone? What was RTS thinking when he entered into the spirit of IBB and gave you a pay raise--again? Didn't the man realize that he was going to turn you into a motivated employee and that profits would continue to rise? And what can those Union leaders be thinking acting like partners with the Company and working to ensure that NJA is a strong long-range company that keeps the pilots employed for a future they and their families can count on?! How dare those joint committees forge a working relationship guaranteed to rain on The FUD-Spreaders Parade....:beer:

HSF, how very foolish of us to think that each group should be judged on their own merits and believe that it is possible to focus on fair solutions. According to the all-knowing FUD-Meister financial ruin is right around the corner. Quick! Give back the first decent paycheck you've had at NJA and run tell RTS that he should give up all of his ambitious plans for the Company. And the 1108 volunteers must be told to stop working on joint projects and prepare for disaster instead. Besides, they're destroying the stereotyped image the anti-union poster is trying to force on them. No mutual respect allowed, you know. The close-minded among us can't handle the concept of Management and the Union getting along.

PS Please leave the umbrella here, though. The thread is being splashed with FUD and I want to keep my new boots clean....

PPS Would you happen to have a handkerchief? I just stepped over a big pile of manure to get to your post and I'd like to make sure none of it is sticking to the bottom of my boots.....

When you see FUD posted kick it out of the way and congratulate the pilots who are blazing a new trail. NJW

 

[Galaxy]

Unreal Aviation News
The Thin Newswire:

UPDATE:​

Chief Investigator H. Dick sadly reported today that it is highly unlikely to find the missing B1.9". We now know that he was hijacked, just like this thread!"

NOT TO BE CONT'D

bchjetdrvr--
I think your avatar got sensored...

 

[Galaxy]

Hey B19-Bob,
What is this a village idiot parade day for you? When will you learn that NJA is not an airline? The only one complaining about the only union in the fractional business IBT 1108 is you. Why is that? Is it because it is your job to do so? I like how you bring up NJW's husband at AA being burnt by a union. Is that the same AA that took 840 mil from the govt for a bailout then merged and mgt furloughed all the TWA pilots? Or is it the same AA that took concessions from all 3 major unions on the property? But it couldn't be the airline that can hire FA's for 50% less than pre 9-11 days. But mgt still found a way to approve over 200 mil in mgt bonuses. You are clearly a mgt JOKE!