UAN News Flash B1.9" Missing!

[bchjetdrvr]

Chingaso Said:
If everyone were to just ignore him he'd eventually go away.

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Unreal Aviation News
The Thin Newswire:

LATE BREAKING NEWS​

It is with great sadness that our beloved B1.9" is reported missing. We shall miss him dearly for the time he is away. All we can hope for now is a slow recovery. Circumstances surrounding the missing B1.9" is still not yet clear. Reports are coming in from various news sources at the time of press. Their accounts are drawing a shady picture. Authorities have yet to rule out foul play.

Eye witnesses told authorities that B1.9" was last seen driving out of his small suburb town sometime past midnight. One eyewitness was able to indentify it as B1.9"s vehicle from his license plate #. Which amazingly was labeled; 1108LUVR. Various bumper stickers also dotted the car. One in particular read “1108 – Ain’t they great!” Others reading, “1108-Not just a # but A way of life”, “Out of the 1108 closet and proud”.

What we do know is that sometime between 11:08 pm and 11:08am, B1.9" went missing. His car was found in the parking lot of an all night Taiwanese midget massage parlor on state road 1108. The car was found when the 3rd shift was coming on duty. No forced entry was visible. Multipile Astroglide and Red Bull bottles could be found strewn about the floor of the car.

An anonymous caller made the following call to the authorities around 3am. “We want $11,080,000 or we’re gonna make B1.9" sign an 1108 voting ballot!” The police officers on duty were heard laughing in the back ground, followed by a click of the phone and went about their business.

Acquaintances have been quoted to say:

400Pilot;
“We used to talk a lot. He would come to me when he got down about his “size”. I told him it was ok, that a lot of guys are built like that. Girls don’t really care. I mean… I lied…wouldn’t you?”

TurboHonda;
“I’m gonna miss our long walks on the tarmac. He looked so cute in that tiny C-172.”

Hobbes;
“This is just tragic, who’s gonna send me packets of kool-aid at Xmas? F$CK!”

CA1900;
“I’m gonna miss his fractional jokes. He could make any laugh when he told those.”

WabiSabi;
“B19 is missing!? Did you check Cleveland?”

RealityMan;
“He was the fantasyland to my reality, like ying and yang we were.”

Fischman;
“He used to read me log book entries of his C-150 flight time. That crazy B1.9"! Gonna miss him"

SilverSurfer;
"WHO THE F--K CARES"

Unreal Aviation News is awaiting a news brief by the local authorities conducting the investigation. UAN has been told
that all fake B1.9" posts are popping up across FI.com. They suggest ignoring these replies and/or posts at all costs.
"Doing so will just incite more useless information than we need right now. This will only hamper our search efforts. So please do
not accept any postings by a B1.9" as authentic until further notice.", Chief Investigator[SIZE=+0] private Hugo Dick said.[/SIZE]

Stayed tuned for updates (seriously)
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Help sign the petition below (hit reply) and state that you will abide by Investigator's Hugo Dick's request. Your signature is appreciate. Let us all pray now.

 

[fischman]

What can you say? He ticked off the Teamsters... :nuts:

 

[Wankel7]

Thread of the year!

 

[FracMonkey]

Investigator Dick, you have my support!

 

[netjetwife]

BJD, witty reporting... count me in on the effort to stomp out FUD.

Fisch, I do realize that your Teamsters comment was made in jest, but in all seriousness, I think the NJ pilots should give 'em the boot! Why be tied to such a reputation that doesn't in any way accurately reflect the way the NJ pilots run their union?! Considering that the NJ pilotgroup is very professional with strong leaders, I think you're all ready to solo.

 

[realityman]

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

 

[208starcheck]

Roger

 

[fischman]

BJD, witty reporting... count me in on the effort to stomp out FUD.

Fisch, I do realize that your Teamsters comment was made in jest, but in all seriousness, I think the NJ pilots should give 'em the boot! Why be tied to such a reputation that doesn't in any way accurately reflect the way the NJ pilots run their union?! Considering that the NJ pilotgroup is very professional with strong leaders, I think you're all ready to solo.

I would comment, but I don't want to sleep with the fishes:laugh:

 

[netjetwife]

It has been said that "Discretion is the better part of valor".

Here's another good one...There's safety in numbers...

 

[SilverSurfer]

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Unreal Aviation News
The Thin Newswire:

LATE BREAKING NEWS​

It is with great sadness that our beloved B1.9" is reported missing. We shall miss him dearly for the time he is away. All we can hope for now is a slow recovery. Circumstances surrounding the missing B1.9" is still not yet clear. Reports are coming in from various news sources at the time of press. Their accounts are drawing a shady picture. Authorities have yet to rule out foul play.

We should be so lucky that this numb nuts did fall of the face of the planet. Problem is that pilots on here will not just ignore him. As long as people continue to give him a vehicle, via their post, for him to continue to advance his hockydirt, hows that for departure from my usual vernacular, he will continue.

Ignore him, completely and he will go find somewhere else to play.

 

[netjetwife]

Who's using who? The FUD-Spinner tried to twist my words and abuse my post, but in the end his became a vehicle to set the record straight. Left in the dark FUD/mold grows; therefore, when we see it I think we should expose it to the light of truth and pour bleaching facts on it until the FUD is destroyed. Given his past behavior, it shouldn't be too long before everyone realizes that he has no credibility where his opinion of 1108 is concerned.

 

[B19 Flyer]

Who's using who? The FUD-Spinner tried to twist my words and abuse my post, but in the end his became a vehicle to set the record straight. Left in the dark FUD/mold grows; therefore, when we see it I think we should expose it to the light of truth and pour bleaching facts on it until the FUD is destroyed. Given his past behavior, it shouldn't be too long before everyone realizes that he has no credibility where his opinion of 1108 is concerned.

No twisting of words.

You are the one who clearly stated that the pilots must "WIN A CONTRACT".

I simply pointed out that in order to win a contract, then there must be a loser. That loser is the rest of the employees, the owners and the company.

You don't WIN a contract, you NEGOTIATE a contract.

There is a huge difference that you don't seem to understand because you are wound so tight around a union.

 

[B19 Flyer]

We should be so lucky that this numb nuts did fall of the face of the planet. Problem is that pilots on here will not just ignore him. As long as people continue to give him a vehicle, via their post, for him to continue to advance his hockydirt, hows that for departure from my usual vernacular, he will continue.

Ignore him, completely and he will go find somewhere else to play.

I'm not playing, unions are serious business and in my opinion pilots unfamiliar with them need to know how unions can threaten their careers, the careers of their coworkers and the very company they work for.

Just look at the rhetoric on these boards. If unions were good, they would not be such a polarizing subject.

And as far as hockydirt is concerned, your "gardener" stuff is as stupid as it gets.

 

[bchjetdrvr]

Unreal Aviation News
The Thin Newswire:

UPDATE​

UAN is back to give you the scoop on missing B1.9". Even though there has been no official word from the authorities, UAN has learned a few more details about this dissappearance.

Through a Tawainese interpreter, a UAN reporter has interviewed several of the "tactile touch therapuetic technicians" working at the Tawainese midget massage parlor called, Little Fingers = Big Happy. The facts gathered only add to the confusion. Several women report seeing two men rolling B1.9"s car into a ditch across from the Little Fingers=Big Happy at about 3am.

One of the ladies overheard one gentleman on a cell phone saying, "The wheels are in place, code 10, the wheels are in place, out!". She then witnessed the two men walk off holding hands. The other gentleman wispering in an Indian accent, "MS, I hope they never find a cure for you!"

Police have searched the personal home of B1.9" and have found evidence that the residence has been unoccupied for several days. However, no forced entry could be seen. Chief investigator Hugo Dick has hinted that this missing persons report could possibly be a hoax. But since no genuine or intelligent posts of B1.9" have been noted (only fake imitators) they are still unable to determine his whereabouts.

"Once again people, I encourage you to not respond or intiate conversations with these fake B1.9" posts.", Hugo Dick pleaded.

Some in the community have expressed their ideas on his whereabouts. Some even expressed where he could go if found. However we have to confirm to certain decency restrictions and can't publish them.

Once UAN reporters are done with their "session" at the Little Finger=Big Happy parlor, be sure they'll be working hard to bring you the straight dope and any upcoming facts disclosed about this case.

"Support the search! Don't respond to fake B1.9" posts at all costs until we can close this case" -H. Dick

 

[netjetwife]

No twisting of words. I'll let the other board members be the judge of that.

You are the one who clearly stated that the pilots must "WIN A CONTRACT".
Correct. I mean precisely that and all those who have ever stood up for what they believe in understood exactly what I posted, as they tried to point out. You seem to need a vocabulary lesson, however. From onlinedictionary:

1. To achieve success in an effort or venture: struggled to overcome the handicap and finally won.

The handicaps faced by many frac pilots are lack of a contract and/or sub-par wages. By again deliberately leaving out the portion of my posts which discuss the partnership between the Union and the Company you're continuing to twist my words. I was quite plain in my opinion, backed up by concrete examples, that both sides come out winners when a fair contract is achieved.
I simply pointed out that in order to win a contract, then there must be a loser. Not so. See above definition. That loser is the rest of the employees, the owners and the company. I can discuss losing: Flt Ops pilots are losing money each day they fly for sub-par wages and work without protection from a contract that will safeguard their greatest investment (career) from the whims of management. Pilots' families that qualify for govt assistance are clearly losing out to corporate greed. Professionals working for blue collar wages are not winners by any standard.
You don't WIN a contract, you NEGOTIATE a contract. That describes the process only. When the contract is signed the group who fought for it will definitely have achieved/won their goal. The terms "dispute" "labor strife" and "contract battle" are widely used for a good reason and once labor harmony is reached both sides breathe a collective sigh of relief. Another popular term in contract negotiations is "win-win". Contracts are not one-sided and every realistic bargaining group understands that some compromises are required. That rule mandates that the other side also wins something that they want in the contract.

There is a huge difference that you don't seem to understand because you are wound so tight around a union. I communicate effectively. You are the one who has a limited vocabulary. Those pilots who know who my husband is and the big project he recently helped to complete understand how ironic it is that you are lecturing me about contracts. Suffice it to say that I have an excellent grasp of the issue.[/quote]

Everyone who pays attention to what is happening in the frac industry is fully aware that the NJ pilots and management are working well together and both sides are clearly winners. It is also apparent that the Ops pilots are involved in a contract battle as they justifiably demand to be compensated like the professionals they are and given written work rules that all must follow. Contracts are commonplace in our society, especially among professionals, and there is no excuse for management to withhold one from the pilots who put their license on the line with every flight and who will be subjected to questioning if anything goes wrong.

Here's your sign---FUD
From Wikipedia: Fear, uncertainty, and doubt (FUD) is a tactic of rhetoric used in sales, marketing and public relations. FUD is generally a strategic attempt to influence public perception by disseminating negative (and vague) information. An individual firm, for example, might use FUD to invite unfavorable opinions and speculation about a competitor's product; to increase the general estimation of switching costs among current customers; or to maintain leverage over a current business partner who could potentially become a rival. The term originated to describe disinformation tactics in the computer hardware industry and has since been used more broadly. FUD is a manifestation of the appeal to fear.

It is clear from the FUD-Spinners posts what he is trying to do but one only has to look at the success that NJA enjoys to see that working with a union can be a positive experience for all involved in the company and for the owners/pax. The same thing can happen at Flt Ops, too. Respect and fairness is not too much to ask for! The pilotgroup's demand for a contract is entirely justified and I truly hope they win/achieve that goal. NJW

 

[Galaxy]

I'm not playing, unions are serious business and in my opinion pilots unfamiliar with them need to know how unions can threaten their careers, the careers of their coworkers and the very company they work for.

Just look at the rhetoric on these boards. If unions were good, they would not be such a polarizing subject.

And as far as hockydirt is concerned, your "gardener" stuff is as stupid as it gets.

Bob,
What the hell are you smoking? You do know FLOPS has a drug testing program.. Oh wait..thats only the pilots. Did you just watch the movie Hoffa or something? You kill me-ha ha -Oh watch out for evil unions..
You really are the village idiot..

 

[netjetwife]

[NJW looks around] Hey Galaxy, did you somehow teleport us to another forum? I could have sworn we were posting on the Fractional forum. As in fractional industry where the majority of the pilots gladly belong to 1108 and are very appreciative of the advancement the Union has brought to their career and to NJA. Haven't I just read numerous posts from pilots hoping to be hired by NJA where the pilots all belong to a hardworking union. Some even sounded excited about getting hooked up w/the Union message board and meeting w/Union leaders. Apparently, word of 1108's achievements has gotten around and is attracting new pilots to NJA. Come to think of it, I've even read posts in this section of the board, from non-union pilots wishing 1108 well because Union success has helped to raise wages at other frac companies. Just think one of these pilots posting here could wind up serving on a joint labor-management committee working to improve things for the entire company and their owners/pax. You know, I wouldn't be surprised if pilots from those joint committees posted here sometime. Or maybe the wife of such a pilot.... talk about a front row seat! Those are the posts that board members read for info on the Union. Or so I've been frequently told in PMs... NJW

 

[Galaxy]

NJW-
I read your post like 6 times..Is there a question or a comment in there or is it just a rant. Usually your posts are well thought out. I don't get this one. Have you read any of my other posts? Who do you think I am? Hoffa himself?

 

[netjetwife]

Sorry for the confusion Galaxy. I had originally intended to comment on how unfair it is that only the pilots are tested, but then my attention was captured by the post you had quoted. The question was posed to politely suggest that posters (like B19) actually stick to events happening in the frac industry when they discuss unions. I thought perhaps he'd get the hint. My comments were made to set the record straight in the face of FUD posted by the "village idiot". I'm rolling my eyes with the rest of you and shaking my head over all the evil union remarks. I see up close how much good work is done by the Union at NJ and it makes me want to stomp on FUD whenever I see it posted.

Rest assured the above post was well thought out. It isn't easy to discuss the "village idiot" with sympathetic neighbors while trying to sweep up the FUD the lunatic has thrown out on the village square. It isn't my usual style to talk about another board member behind their back, but considering the source and the fact that B19/VI is spewing nonsense, I think an exception can be made in this case.

Boots are my preferred footwear for wading through FUD.

 

[Galaxy]

Ok,
just as long as we are on the same side. To be honest I had to re-read the post because your leg is a distraction..
So we are on the same page-
FLOPS sucks
B19 is village idiot
IBT 1108 rocks!
Bob Tyler is a SCAB
Shawna Sh1tfinger and his organ grinding monkey Babu have got to go!
Contract or FIRESALE

 

[netjetwife]

Galaxy, you'll just have to use your cockpit concentration skills and overlook the boots, please. They are fun and fit with my boot campaign. Maybe my red boots will be better.... As far as my support goes, the other frac pilots had it as soon as I realized that they were also as badly underpaid as the NJ pilots used to be. I admire the Options pilotgroup for collectively taking a stand and I will cheer loudly when they win/achieve a contract.
Best Wishes,
Netjetwife

 

[B19 Flyer]

The question was posed to politely suggest that posters (like B19) actually stick to events happening in the frac industry when they discuss unions.

I prefer to stick to the historical facts of unions.

A union is a union.


http://airlinesafety.com/Unions/index.htm

www.unionfacts.com

 

[netjetwife]

Oh Galaxy! Look at that! The village idiot is lose again.... and he's standing on the village square flinging FUD and screaming that the sky is falling. Watch the NJ pilots give him a wide berth on their way to the bank to deposit their signing bonus and ignore him as they window shop, looking at how much they can buy with their recent pay raise and yawning at his FUD rants which are totally irrelevant to their lives. There go the Options pilots just bypassing him on their way to the meeting hall/bargaining table, knowing full well that their fight for a professional contract and industry standard wages is justified and fair. Their families and neighbors stand beside them cheering them on in their struggle for parity.

Metaphors aside, I prefer to deal with reality and the present situation faced by frac pilots. Could you Options pilots please post your current salary here so that all may see for themselves exactly why it was necessary to take a stand. Could you update us on the status of your benefits and QOL on the road, too? Many of us know that both have been under constant attack since you dared to organize your efforts to gain a contract, but perhaps shock treatment might do our resident lunatic some good....

 

[B19 Flyer]

Oh Galaxy! Look at that! The village idiot is lose again.... and he's standing on the village square flinging FUD and screaming that the sky is falling. Watch the NJ pilots give him a wide berth on their way to the bank to deposit their signing bonus and ignore him as they window shop, looking at how much they can buy with their recent pay raise and yawning at his FUD rants which are totally irrelevant to their lives. There go the Options pilots just bypassing him on their way to the meeting hall/bargaining table, knowing full well that their fight for a professional contract and industry standard wages is justified and fair. Their families and neighbors stand beside them cheering them on in their struggle for parity.

Metaphors aside, I prefer to deal with reality and the present situation faced by frac pilots. Could you Options pilots please post your current salary here so that all may see for themselves exactly why it was necessary to take a stand. Could you update us on the status of your benefits and QOL on the road, too? Many of us know that both have been under constant attack since you dared to organize your efforts to gain a contract, but perhaps shock treatment might do our resident lunatic some good....

And while you are at it, post the pay scales of the "Industry Leading Contracts" for United, Delta and American before AND after they were forced into bankruptcy by the unions.

Oh, and don't forget to do the correction for the lost health benefits and pensions.

A Dead Goose Can't Tell the Difference

http://www.nrtwc.org/newsroom/383.htm

Last month, a Chicago bankruptcy judge approved a settlement authorizing the taxpayer-backed Pension Benefit Guarantee Corporation (PBGC) to take over $6.6 billion in United Airlines pension liabilities.
Plenty of people have reason to be unhappy about the settlement.
According to a press release issued by Big Labor Congressman George Miller (D-Calif.), the United-PBGC deal will “result in an average 25% to 50% [pension] cut for most active and retired United employees, from customer service representatives to flight crew members.”
Meanwhile, taxpayer advocates fear that now that United has received a judicial green light to dump its pensions on a federal government agency, other struggling airlines will do the same. Money-hemorrhaging auto and steel companies may then follow suit. Ultimately, the PBGC could go belly-up, resulting in a massive federal taxpayer-funded bailout dwarfing the $200 billion S&L fiasco of the late eighties.
Pilots union officials also claim they are victims of the United settlement. However, the reality is that they have made out very well at the expense of rank-and-file members, United shareholders, and (potentially) federal taxpayers.
The federal Railway Labor Act (RLA) empowers pilots and other airline union bosses to act as the “exclusive” (monopoly) bargaining agents of airline employees in contract negotiations over pay, benefits, and working conditions. And as an additional privilege, the RLA authorizes union officials to force employees, like it or not, to pay dues or “fees” to their union monopoly-bargaining agent. Employees who refuse get fired.
The deal is especially sweet for the hierarchy of the Airline Pilots Association (ALPA) and other pilots unions. Nearly 60% of America’s pilots, including nearly all pilots for major carriers, are subject to union monopoly-bargaining control. And, unlike for most other union officials, the forced dues and “fees” that pilots union bosses collect are typically tallied as a percentage of pilots’ earnings, not as a fixed amount per member.
Consequently, whenever pilots’ pay goes up, ALPA union officials automatically rake in more forced dues.
Over the years, officials of the ALPA’s United division have thus had a powerful incentive in contract negotiations to encourage the company to underfund its pension program and put the money in pilots’ paychecks instead.
Together with machinists union officials, that’s just what the pilots union brass did. And to get what they wanted, they repeatedly threatened illegal strikes and engaged in illegal work slowdowns, as Wall Street Journal editor Holman Jenkins recalled in a May 25 column.



As recently as five years ago, then-ALPA chief Rick Dubinsky was still bragging about this strategy, Mr. Jenkins added. In 2000, Mr. Dubinsky famously told United management:

“We don’t want to kill the golden goose. We just want to choke it by the neck until it gives us every last egg.”​

But current ALPA President Duane Woerth seems to suffer from amnesia when it comes to the ALPA’s long record of intimidating the only sporadically profitable United into signing contracts that rapidly expanded the union’s forced-dues cash flow, but put employees’ pension funds at risk. The pension catastrophe is all management’s fault, Mr. Woerth pathetically insists.
Unfortunately for federal taxpayers and millions of other unionized workers, besides United there are thousands of other American companies whose PBGC-backed pension plans are now grossly underfunded, often because the companies themselves have been rendered uncompetitive by Big Labor featherbedding and wasteful work rules.
The PBGC estimates that single- and multi-employer plans combined now have a total liability of $600 billion. And it’s overwhelmingly unionized workers in industries like airlines, autos and auto parts, steel, trucking, construction, and groceries whose pensions are in jeopardy.
It may already be too late to spare taxpayers the enormous expense of bailing out the PBGC as more and more unionized businesses find they are unable to meet their pension obligations. But Congress can still protect countless employees and employers from future pension meltdowns by repealing all federal labor-law provisions that authorize union monopoly bargaining and forced-dues assessments.
While additional reforms to safeguard pensions are undoubtedly warranted, labor-law reform alone would empower independent-minded employees to reject deals forged by union officials, who, experience shows, often place little value on employees’ retirement security.
Employees who have the legal freedom, when they personally deem it best, to forge their own contract agreements with their employers are more secure employees. That’s the single most important lesson of the United pension default, and one on which Congress should take action without delay.

 

[Whoosh!]

B19, is the problem that you haven't been laid in a while or something? If so, bashing union labor certainly won't help.

 

[HiSpeedFlyer]

I prefer to stick to the historical facts of unions.

A union is a union.


http://airlinesafety.com/Unions/index.htm

www.unionfacts.com

Oh dear,....so much for my lurking mode I promised myself after the IBB Victory......



I was told once by a far wiser MAN than myself (and he was a management type, go figure.) and you, not that that matters much here, that success is a two way street. Look at the cooperation betweeen 1108 and NJ management recently and you'll see that not all unions are created equal. 1108 has simply set a path for success for all to follow.

There are Pilot Unions, and there is 1108.
There is no comparison.


:angryfire Your turn, Sparky.:angryfire





Regards, NJW!

 

[bchjetdrvr]

Unreal Aviation News
The Thin Newswire:

UPDATE:​

Chief Investigator H. Dick sadly reported today that it is highly unlikely to find the missing B1.9". We now know that he was hijacked, just like this thread!"

NOT TO BE CONT'D

 

[netjetwife]

... Look at the cooperation betweeen 1108 and NJ management recently and you'll see that not all unions are created equal. 1108 has simply set a path for success for all to follow. ... Regards, NJW!

Hello, HSF! I enjoyed your gracious note, (hug the kids for me) and it's fun to post with you. I'm glad you quit lurking. Perhaps you will be so kind as to hold up an umbrella when the chunks of sky start falling. After all you're one of those greedy NJ FOs who had the nerve to want to support his family on the earnings of a professional pilot. Tsk, tsk, surely you're feeling guilty that you can now afford to make NJA a career rather than a stepping stone? What was RTS thinking when he entered into the spirit of IBB and gave you a pay raise--again? Didn't the man realize that he was going to turn you into a motivated employee and that profits would continue to rise? And what can those Union leaders be thinking acting like partners with the Company and working to ensure that NJA is a strong long-range company that keeps the pilots employed for a future they and their families can count on?! How dare those joint committees forge a working relationship guaranteed to rain on The FUD-Spreaders Parade....:beer:

HSF, how very foolish of us to think that each group should be judged on their own merits and believe that it is possible to focus on fair solutions. According to the all-knowing FUD-Meister financial ruin is right around the corner. Quick! Give back the first decent paycheck you've had at NJA and run tell RTS that he should give up all of his ambitious plans for the Company. And the 1108 volunteers must be told to stop working on joint projects and prepare for disaster instead. Besides, they're destroying the stereotyped image the anti-union poster is trying to force on them. No mutual respect allowed, you know. The close-minded among us can't handle the concept of Management and the Union getting along.

PS Please leave the umbrella here, though. The thread is being splashed with FUD and I want to keep my new boots clean....

PPS Would you happen to have a handkerchief? I just stepped over a big pile of manure to get to your post and I'd like to make sure none of it is sticking to the bottom of my boots.....

When you see FUD posted kick it out of the way and congratulate the pilots who are blazing a new trail. NJW

 

[Galaxy]

Unreal Aviation News
The Thin Newswire:

UPDATE:​

Chief Investigator H. Dick sadly reported today that it is highly unlikely to find the missing B1.9". We now know that he was hijacked, just like this thread!"

NOT TO BE CONT'D

bchjetdrvr--
I think your avatar got sensored...

 

[Galaxy]

Hey B19-Bob,
What is this a village idiot parade day for you? When will you learn that NJA is not an airline? The only one complaining about the only union in the fractional business IBT 1108 is you. Why is that? Is it because it is your job to do so? I like how you bring up NJW's husband at AA being burnt by a union. Is that the same AA that took 840 mil from the govt for a bailout then merged and mgt furloughed all the TWA pilots? Or is it the same AA that took concessions from all 3 major unions on the property? But it couldn't be the airline that can hire FA's for 50% less than pre 9-11 days. But mgt still found a way to approve over 200 mil in mgt bonuses. You are clearly a mgt JOKE!