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July 8, 2008

To: United Airlines Pilots

From: UAL-MEC Jumpseat Committee

Re: Our response to the letter from the “UAX Pilots Association”—Denial of Express Jumpseats to UAL pilots

The UAL-MEC Jumpseat Committee would like to address the situation regarding the impending denial of jumpseats to United pilots by our United Express (UAX) partners. For those of you who
commute on UAX flights, you already have or will soon be receiving the following letter from a UAX Captain when you request a jumpseat.

Important Letter to United Pilots

June 30, 2008
To United Airlines pilots:

On behalf of the Jumpseat Committees representing all of the carriers flying as United Express, welcome aboard. Unfortunately, this letter has been provided to you because you will likely be affected by a difficult decision, reluctantly arrived at by the United Express (UAX) pilots. Over the last couple of years, United Airlines (UAL) has made changes to the gate jumpseating and priority software programs. Several of these changes have adversely affected not only the UAX pilots, but also the UAL pilots, as well. There is widespread confusion and frustration amongst many of the pilots regarding how the gate computer sorts priorities for jumpseat requests. Based upon the UAX agreement tables, jumpseat requests on UAX flights are supposed to be processed like this:
1. On their own flights, UAX pilots are sorted first, in order of their seniority.
2. UAL pilots and “other” UAX pilots are sorted next, in order of their check-in.
3. Non UAL/UAX pilots (“offline pilots”) are then sorted, in order of their check-in.

HOWEVER, the current software being used by UAL does NOT sort jumpseat requests in this order. Instead, all jumpseat requests are sorted as if the flight were a mainline UAL flight. This means that UAX pilots are being bumped by UAL pilots on their own UAX flights. The computer software also sorts some UAX pilots as if they were offline pilots, even on their own flights. Despite nine (9) months of repeated appeals to UAL management, and despite the fact that a minor software change would solve this issue (simply change the computers to recognize the carriers’ flight number) UAX carriers have recently been told that UAL will not fix this blatant degradation of our jumpseat agreements because to do so would not generate revenue for UAL. This position is untenable.
We have now sent a detailed letter to UALPA’s MEC, addressing these very important issues, and we have provided UALPA with specific examples of where UAL has made non-revenue generating changes to the gate software. The UAX pilots have respectfully requested that the gate jumpseat software be fixed within thirty (30) days. Regrettably, if UAL does not fix the jumpseat software within thirty (30) days, UAX pilots will be left with no other choice but to deny all UAL pilots any requests for the jumpseat, regardless of aircraft tail-colors beginning 08/31/08.
On behalf of all UAX pilots, we sincerely hope that we will not be forced to deny any UAL pilot a ride, as we are mindful of the fact that many UAL pilots will be negatively impacted. To that end, we are simply asking that you immediately call or email your MEC to let them know how important your UAX commute is, and to help us all obtain a fair and just resolution. Thank you for your professionalism and active cooperation.
Signed, the pilots of:
Chautauqua Airlines
Colgan Airlines
Go Jets Airlines
Mesa Air Group
Shuttle America
SkyWest Airlines
 
This letter is endorsed by all of the UAX carriers with the exception of TransStates Airlines, an ALPA affiliated carrier. Mesa Air Group, an ALPA carrier has endorsed this letter.

To summarize the intent of this letter, the jumpseat is being used as a bargaining chip and a ransom in order to get their issues resolved. The policy of ALPA National is to not use the jumpseat as a bargaining tool or for political purposes. An ad hoc jumpseat group named Hitcharide, which monitors and addresses jumpseat issues for the US airline industry, has also adopted the ALPA policy. All of these UAX members and the UAL Jumpseat Committee are members of this group.

In a separate letter addressed to the MEC, the UAX members identify specific computer software issues that are affecting their ability to obtain proper jumpseat access on their airplanes in addition to being improperly charged for cabin jumpseats. Your Jumpseat Committee is in agreement that there are problems associated with these programs. These UAX members are under the assumption that the solutions to these problems are a mere simple fix and any money that would be required to fix the problems is supposed to be the responsibility of United. It has been conveyed to these members that there are no simple fixes to these problems regardless of any alleged funding issues.

I would like to take a few moments to brief you on the history of this group. The MEC Jumpseat Committee and UA flight ops have invested much time and effort to address the problems at UAX.
Starting in November, 2007, we had invited all of the UAX carrier’s jumpseat chairpersons to sit down with us and identify the problems. Through a series of face to face meetings and telephone conferences, we identified some problem areas regarding jumpseating on UAX: First, Apollo computer software (which runs all jumpseat programs for UA and UAX) is antiquated. The system cannot separate the UAX employees into their own separate groups and unfortunately considers them as offline pilots even when trying to get a jumpseat on their own company aircraft.
Second, inadequate UAX CSR training, along with a high turnover rate of agent staff. Third, lack of Captain’s authority.

Referencing the software system, it has been determined that in order to bring the system up to date so it can sort the employees properly would require major system upgrades, extra manpower assignments and increased funding. There also were requests to investigate the feasibility of some quick fixes to these issues. It was conveyed to the group that it would be investigated, but with no guarantees. It was also made clear to them that there would be obstacles, limitations and almost no financial support. At one point in one of the meetings members of the group were asked if they would petition their managements for money to defray the costs of software upgrades. Not one member offered to ask their management for some monetary assistance.

Two positive solutions were created from these meetings. One being the development of SOPs that would efficiently process and board a jumpseater. The other was created to address the issue of a UAX pilot not being able to get on his own company jumpseat. With input from the MEC Jumpseat Committee, a lesson plan for agents that manage UAX flights was created and gives guidance to the agent in the event of a priority conflict to direct all jumpseaters down to the Captain for conflict resolution. This is an interim fix, which addresses Captain’s authority and gets pilots on their jumpseats. I have been informed by the UAX manager of United that since the implementation of this lesson plan, the problems with UAX pilots “not getting on their own metal” have diminished. They have not been eliminated; but it is a positive step and will diminish over time. If you will recall, back in 2006 we took effective steps to reduce our own internal jumpseat problems. They were not cleared up immediately, but they diminished at a steady rate.

The UAX members make a statement to you in their letter and insist that one simple fix can be made by a simple software change that would recognize a UAX flight number and match it to the employees of that carrier. They also accuse United of not wanting to fix the problem because it would not generate revenue for them. The recognition of flight numbers was discussed as a POSSIBLE “quick fix.” It also was conveyed to them that we would investigate this possibility, but we would not make any guarantees. The accusation of United not wanting to fix the problem due to no revenue generation is totally unfounded. It is our opinion these UAX members believe that if United does not fix the problem, it will force these UAX pilots to be charged for a UAX first class seat, should it be the only one vacant. We do not recall this topic being presented for discussion.

Their letter, which amounts to nothing more than a blatant threat to our pilots, is being taken very seriously by the MEC, United Flight ops and United management. Flight ops and management are corresponding with their UAX counterparts and confronting them with their letters. It is our belief that the endorsers of this letter did not consult with their senior managements prior to distributing them.

So, what now?

The UALMEC Jumpseat Committee, United Flight ops and the UAX manager from United are going to convene for a telephone conference on Thursday, July 10, 2008. We will advise these UAX members ONE LAST TIME of the difficulties and limitations associated with resolving these issues. We will also put to rest their beliefs that there are quick solutions as well. At the end of this meeting your jumpseat committee will advise these members that they will have one week from July 10th to rescind their decision to deny jumpseats to United pilots. We will also demand they notify the MEC in writing. If at the end of that week they have not reversed their decision, we will IMMEDIATELY do all within our power to prevent them from obtaining jumpseats on United flights. We will request management to instruct our agents to not process them for a jumpseat or issue them an OMC card. Ultimately, the Captain has final authority on access to his or her jumpseat. Your MEC Officers have unanimously endorsed this course of action.

Until the period in time arrives to where we take our course of action, I am expecting the UAX members to honor their reciprocal agreements and not deny United pilots a jumpseat . However, if you encounter a situation in which you feel that you are being denied this for an illegitimate reason, we request that you file a JSAP report. You can access this report by going to the UALMEC Website: www.ualmec.org. After signing into the members section, click the Jumpseat Committee tab on the left hand side of the main page. When you get to our committee page, look for the JSAP report tab halfway down the page. If you are not able to access the JSAP report, please contact one of the members of the MEC Jumpseat Committee using the email addresses listed below.

The UALMEC Jumpseat Committee will correspond to you at the appropriate time, if not sooner.

Fraternally,
 
All I can say is wow! This could turn into a war after all. I hope all was thought out very carefully before the start of this. Who will blink?
 
Does it really need to come to this? It would seem like Captain's authority has been overridden by a CSR with an antiquated computer. Once again, common sense does not prevail.
 
Stand strong UAX pilots....I will support this war if it gets to that....The United pilots would never put up this behavior if it was them that were getting denied on their own aircraft.....

It's time to put a stop to the double standard......

Don't give in.....
 
I don't understand why the UAL pilots don't have 1st priority on any jumpseat that has UAL code. It seems logical to me that they should be first in line. This is not shaniquas flying, it is UALs thus thier jumpseat.



Stand strong UAX pilots....I will support this war if it gets to that....The United pilots would never put up this behavior if it was them that were getting denied on their own aircraft.....

It's time to put a stop to the double standard......

Don't give in.....
 
I don't understand why the UAL pilots don't have 1st priority on any jumpseat that has UAL code. It seems logical to me that they should be first in line. This is not shaniquas flying, it is UALs thus thier jumpseat.
Because that would be unfair to the pilots at the codeshare partners. Being bumped off their own jumpseat my a mainline pilot is ridiculous. :erm: That is my commonsense working now. If this is your logic of fair then O.K here is mine, From now on I get Priority over you on anything and everything!! Forever !!!:laugh: Not to mention I can bump you off any jumpseat even off your own airline. Not too mention you have to buy me lunch for the flight and pay me $500. :D
 
I don't understand why the UAL pilots don't have 1st priority on any jumpseat that has UAL code. It seems logical to me that they should be first in line. This is not shaniquas flying, it is UALs thus thier jumpseat.
Oooo, this should be fun.

Sorry, holmes...UA pays for the seats in the cabin and they sell the tickets, but they don't own the jumpseat.
 
I don't understand why the UAL pilots don't have 1st priority on any jumpseat that has UAL code. It seems logical to me that they should be first in line. This is not shaniquas flying, it is UALs thus thier jumpseat.

You are entitled to that opinion....and I am entitled to not give you a ride.....Now would you like to actually act like a union.....or do you want to just continue to pretend....and screw each other?

If you think you own me....then you can walk......
 
I don't understand why the UAL pilots don't have 1st priority on any jumpseat that has UAL code. It seems logical to me that they should be first in line. This is not shaniquas flying, it is UALs thus thier jumpseat.

Cabin seat - maybe
Jumpseat - absolutely not.

The jumpseat is an accommodation for EXTRA CREW MEMBER. It is not a passenger seat. It belongs to the Captain and the airline operating the flight.
 
The cabin seats don't even belong to the mainline....Delta tried that with DCI and the uproar so bad they backed off.....DCI have priority on the jumpseat and the cabin seats ON THEIR OWN AIRCRAFT...That is the way it should be....

You want priority....then you fly it with YOUR aircraft....If it is OUR aircraft, then you don't get priority.....
 
Captain's Authority; bring it back.
I don't think Captain's Authority is the issue here.

The issue here is the fact that the system sorts the jumpseat priorities incorrectly and the captain doesn't always have time to sweep the gate area to make sure the right jumpseater got on in the middle of a quick turn.

The customer service agent should always defer to the captain...however, if they don't know any better, they aren't going to go out of their way to confirm the right jumpeseater got on.
 
"Fraternally." That's so lame.

Anyway, I could go for UAL pilots getting priority for a cabin seat, but I have to agree that the cockpit jumpseat is not UAL's. It is the airline's that owns the airplane--a seat that is there for an additional crew member. UAL is not entitled to it.

How typical of mainliners' "we should own the world." mindset.

Fraternally indeed.

-Goose
 

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