UALPA response to jumpseat threat

[Flip]

Oh this is gonna be fugly

 

[dispatchguy]

Hopefully everyone has a non-UA mainline commute capability.

Bend over, lube up, gonna get fugly.

 

[AWACoff]

The policy of ALPA National is to not use the jumpseat as a bargaining tool or for political purposes.

If at the end of that week they have not reversed their decision, we will IMMEDIATELY do all within our power to prevent them from obtaining jumpseats on United flights. We will request management to instruct our agents to not process them for a jumpseat or issue them an OMC card.

Fraternally,

I don't have a dog in this fight....but UAL ALPA is out of their gourd if they are using ALPA National policy against the UAX carriers. The very policy that they hold is such high esteem is the very one they are stating they will break.

Pot calling kettle, "You're BLACK!"

 

[JumpersAway]

I'm still not understanding the big deal here. The UAX guys tried to fix the problem nicely and with cooperation with UA pilots. They got sluffed off to the corner and it didn't get fixed. Why should it- UA is benafitting from the glitch. So now, it's going to take some pressure to fix it. The letter was professional, polite, and it gives more than ample time for UA pilots to respond. So quit complaining and blaming the UX pilots and FIX THE PROBLEM......

Jumpseat war? Here's a thought for ya- if the UX pilots aren't getting on the jumpseats anyways, what do they have to lose?

Fixing the jumpseat is plainly the "right thing to do". So what's the problem here?

 

[bravodude]

AS someone who used to work for a regional airline that was wholly owned by USAir. I know what you guys are having to deal with. Stand strong!

 

[145BOSS]

In a capacity purchase agreement, the contracting airline has purchased every seat on that aircraft and thus should have the liberty to decide what order non-revs are assigned the seats. I can accept that the flight attendant and pilot jumpseats are at pilots digression. But the assignment of non-revs in back is no more under the control of the captain than is the assignment of seats to revenue standby or revenue first-class upgrades.

 

[Tank Commander]

I get off my A$$ and go up to the gate. Even on a 30min turn I have plenty of time to do this. I check the radar and ask about jump seater's. I do not allow the gate agent to manage it. With a pending MX issue and making a quick turn because we are behind schedule I still manage to get up to the gate. We all know the FO is the one doing all the work on the turn anyway!! So as a CA Manage your A/C and the jump seat in it. Granted, the old lady will not get that cell phone call ever turn like I've seen a lot of CA make their priority on the ground, but she'll understand. It seem a lot of pilots don't put any type of priority on the jump seat till they need to sit in it.

 

[DrewBlows]

In case you missed it, this is from the same letter.

The policy of ALPA National is to not use the jumpseat as a bargaining tool or for political purposes.

At the end of this meeting your jumpseat committee will advise these members that they will have one week from July 10th to rescind their decision to deny jumpseats to United pilots. We will also demand they notify the MEC in writing. If at the end of that week they have not reversed their decision, we will IMMEDIATELY do all within our power to prevent them from obtaining jumpseats on United flights.

 

[BOX OFFICE]

Did anybody notice that they said UAX pilots would be denied OSAs on "all united flights"? They were referring to all UAL coded flights, regardless of carrier, not just mainline.

How ironic. The United pilots decry the UAX pilots making a threat, then up the ante with an even bigger threat. Very Mature. The UAL pilots could have taken the high road and blown the letter off as the empty threat it most likely is, but no. They choose to escalate the conflict. Oh, and a union threatening to get fellow union members disciplined by taking their cause to management? Nice.

Union "brotherhood" indeed.

I hope the UAX pilots don't back down. As someone else said, they really have nothing to lose. They need to show the bully UAL pilots that more UAL pilots commute on UAX then the other way around. And RJs have a nasty habit of becoming weight limited.

 

[dispatchguy]

UAX Pilots stand strong.

 

[Jon Rivoli]

Before I hand out any letters I make sure the gentleman I'm talking to isn't in the bottom 950, if so his problems are bigger than mine and handing a him such a letter would be extremely bad form.

 

[JustaNumber]

I don't understand why the gate agents can't be made to follow a simple SOP. More than one jumpseater? Pull out the laminated SOP card, follow the instructions, send the correct jumpseater down the jetway! If they are so out of control that they can't be required to follow a simple procedure, then UAL's problems are bigger than we know.

 

[Newpilot2b]

Justanumber,

That would be to easy for ALPO to figure out. Notice that ALPO didn't suggest any idea's in solving the problem.
Typical Liberial minded thinking. Let guess ALPO is pro Obama????
B$tch and moan and say we can do better.
UAL ALPO put your money were your mouth is and FIX THE PROBLEM. What did it take a good 1 hour to write this letter? 1 hour less in fixing the problem.
You guys were the ones that turned and faced in the wind when you pissed. You clean it up!

 

[The Drizzle]

I don't understand why the gate agents can't be made to follow a simple SOP. More than one jumpseater? Pull out the laminated SOP card, follow the instructions, send the correct jumpseater down the jetway! If they are so out of control that they can't be required to follow a simple procedure, then UAL's problems are bigger than we know.

I'm guessing you've never flown for them. In 3.5 years I haven't seen one thing that makes me think UAL is capable of running an airline, or an express division.

 

[dispatchguy]

In 3.5 years I haven't seen one thing that makes me think UAL is capable of running an airline, or an express division.

Especially when you look at the abortion, I mean the abomination, I mean the embarrassment, I mean the greyhound bus terminal which is Terminal F at ORD.

 

[The Drizzle]

Especially when you look at the abortion, I mean the abomination, I mean the embarrassment, I mean the greyhound bus terminal which is Terminal F at ORD.

Which looks like a smooth operation as compared with the A gates at IAD.

 

[buscap]

UAL pilots should've had this fixed a long time ago. You get what you give. If the tables were turned, there would've been UAL pilots beating on management's door with their hair on fire.

My advice to UAL pilots: ask for a truce and set a hard deadline to fix it. You guys started it by putting up with it in the first place. The onus is on you guys to fix it.

 

[timmay]

Cabin seat - maybe
Jumpseat - absolutely not.

The jumpseat is an accommodation for EXTRA CREW MEMBER. It is not a passenger seat. It belongs to the Captain and the airline operating the flight.

Everyone on this message board seems to think this. The purpose of the jumpseat is for feds and company line check being able to use it for a free ride is just an added bonus. This doesnt add much to the discussion other than I laugh everytime someone says the jumpseat belongs to the captain.

 

[timmay]

Cabin seat - maybe
Jumpseat - absolutely not.

The jumpseat is an accommodation for EXTRA CREW MEMBER. It is not a passenger seat. It belongs to the Captain and the airline operating the flight.

Everyone on this message board seems to think this. The purpose of the jumpseat is for feds and company line checks, being able to use it for a free ride is just an added bonus. This doesnt add much to the discussion other than I laugh everytime someone says the jumpseat belongs to the captain.

 

[sweptback]

Everyone on this message board seems to think this. The purpose of the jumpseat is for feds and company line checks, being able to use it for a free ride is just an added bonus. This doesnt add much to the discussion other than I laugh everytime someone says the jumpseat belongs to the captain.

Correct. The jumpseat belongs to the FAA first, then the company second. Most, if not all, companies give authority to the jumpseat (if not otherwise in use) to the Captain via their FOM or contract.