UALPA response to jumpseat threat

[Jon Rivoli]

Before I hand out any letters I make sure the gentleman I'm talking to isn't in the bottom 950, if so his problems are bigger than mine and handing a him such a letter would be extremely bad form.

 

[JustaNumber]

I don't understand why the gate agents can't be made to follow a simple SOP. More than one jumpseater? Pull out the laminated SOP card, follow the instructions, send the correct jumpseater down the jetway! If they are so out of control that they can't be required to follow a simple procedure, then UAL's problems are bigger than we know.

 

[Newpilot2b]

Justanumber,

That would be to easy for ALPO to figure out. Notice that ALPO didn't suggest any idea's in solving the problem.
Typical Liberial minded thinking. Let guess ALPO is pro Obama????
B$tch and moan and say we can do better.
UAL ALPO put your money were your mouth is and FIX THE PROBLEM. What did it take a good 1 hour to write this letter? 1 hour less in fixing the problem.
You guys were the ones that turned and faced in the wind when you pissed. You clean it up!

 

[The Drizzle]

I don't understand why the gate agents can't be made to follow a simple SOP. More than one jumpseater? Pull out the laminated SOP card, follow the instructions, send the correct jumpseater down the jetway! If they are so out of control that they can't be required to follow a simple procedure, then UAL's problems are bigger than we know.

I'm guessing you've never flown for them. In 3.5 years I haven't seen one thing that makes me think UAL is capable of running an airline, or an express division.

 

[dispatchguy]

In 3.5 years I haven't seen one thing that makes me think UAL is capable of running an airline, or an express division.

Especially when you look at the abortion, I mean the abomination, I mean the embarrassment, I mean the greyhound bus terminal which is Terminal F at ORD.

 

[The Drizzle]

Especially when you look at the abortion, I mean the abomination, I mean the embarrassment, I mean the greyhound bus terminal which is Terminal F at ORD.

Which looks like a smooth operation as compared with the A gates at IAD.

 

[buscap]

UAL pilots should've had this fixed a long time ago. You get what you give. If the tables were turned, there would've been UAL pilots beating on management's door with their hair on fire.

My advice to UAL pilots: ask for a truce and set a hard deadline to fix it. You guys started it by putting up with it in the first place. The onus is on you guys to fix it.

 

[timmay]

Cabin seat - maybe
Jumpseat - absolutely not.

The jumpseat is an accommodation for EXTRA CREW MEMBER. It is not a passenger seat. It belongs to the Captain and the airline operating the flight.

Everyone on this message board seems to think this. The purpose of the jumpseat is for feds and company line check being able to use it for a free ride is just an added bonus. This doesnt add much to the discussion other than I laugh everytime someone says the jumpseat belongs to the captain.

 

[timmay]

Cabin seat - maybe
Jumpseat - absolutely not.

The jumpseat is an accommodation for EXTRA CREW MEMBER. It is not a passenger seat. It belongs to the Captain and the airline operating the flight.

Everyone on this message board seems to think this. The purpose of the jumpseat is for feds and company line checks, being able to use it for a free ride is just an added bonus. This doesnt add much to the discussion other than I laugh everytime someone says the jumpseat belongs to the captain.

 

[sweptback]

Everyone on this message board seems to think this. The purpose of the jumpseat is for feds and company line checks, being able to use it for a free ride is just an added bonus. This doesnt add much to the discussion other than I laugh everytime someone says the jumpseat belongs to the captain.

Correct. The jumpseat belongs to the FAA first, then the company second. Most, if not all, companies give authority to the jumpseat (if not otherwise in use) to the Captain via their FOM or contract.

 

[dispatchguy]

I was talking with someone the other day, a former UAL union person, and he was of the opinion that the UAX carriers are required, per their air services agreements with UAL, to provide UAL crews with the ability to jumpseat on UAX metal.

I countered that I was sure, but not 100%, that those agreements stipulated that it be space available transportation, and that no where does it require that the UA crewmember be given priority over that carriers own crewmembers on their own airplanes.

His position was that if the embargo for UAL on UAX goes thru, and UAL crewmembers are denied JS on UAX, it could be seen as a violation of the air service agreement contracts that the UAX carriers have with UAL.

 

[getnverted]

The original UAX letter said we would be forced to deny the jumpseat on all airplanes regardless of tail-color:

Daily Departures:

Skywest 1794
Republic 1300
Mesa 800
Colgan 360
GoJets 78

Total 4332

UAL 1550 (prior to parking 737's)

That's 1,550 flights I might want to get on and 4,332 flights you might want to get on. Let's all quit thumping our chests and fix the problem.

 

[eatme]

I was talking with someone the other day, a former UAL union person, and he was of the opinion that the UAX carriers are required, per their air services agreements with UAL, to provide UAL crews with the ability to jumpseat on UAX metal.

I countered that I was sure, but not 100%, that those agreements stipulated that it be space available transportation, and that no where does it require that the UA crewmember be given priority over that carriers own crewmembers on their own airplanes.

His position was that if the embargo for UAL on UAX goes thru, and UAL crewmembers are denied JS on UAX, it could be seen as a violation of the air service agreement contracts that the UAX carriers have with UAL.

UALPA seems powerless to change the res system, they certainly are going to have no impact on anything regarding the air services agreement. Boy, how the mighty have fallen.

 

[rchcfi]

The original UAX letter said we would be forced to deny the jumpseat on all airplanes regardless of tail-color:

Daily Departures:

Skywest 1794
Republic 1300
Mesa 800
Colgan 360
GoJets 78

Total 4332

UAL 1550 (prior to parking 737's)

That's 1,550 flights I might want to get on and 4,332 flights you might want to get on. Let's all quit thumping our chests and fix the problem.

Jeezus, if those numbers are correct I'm sorry for the UAL pilots "if" this j/s war comes to fruition. I for one don't condone it and believe that there are other ways of handling this situation. However, I know that many UAX pilots live in base to offset the cost of commuting and having a crashpad. There has got to be more UAL pilots that commute than UAX for that simple reason....We just can't afford it!

Again, I do not agree with this UAX tactic, but if Daddy UALPA wants to posture with that letter, than so be it. We'll see who loses in the end..

 

[D-Bo]

Stand strong UAX pilots....I will support this war if it gets to that....The United pilots would never put up this behavior if it was them that were getting denied on their own aircraft.....

It's time to put a stop to the double standard......

Don't give in.....

It looks like we'll have to condition more than just our managents minds, who have become to know us as pushovers. That was from 01-07. Not anymore. We won't lose this so they better pull the letter, backtrack, and start talking if they're smart.