UAL Pilots take Skywest and Mesa jobs

[surplus1]

Re: Majors vs Regional's

[BI thought these guys realzed exactly what was at stake with thye majors shrinking. [/b]

Not smart enough to figure that out without your help. Perhaps you would like to tell me what is at stake with the majors shrinking?

I guess there are more and more pilots out there willing to work for nothing than I thought.

Maybe that's true in some places but my little airline, Comair, doesn't happen to be one of them. We are compensated reasonably well for the size equipment that we operate. Also, if your avatar indicates your place of employment, our work rules are equal to or better than yours.

They get to go look mah, and pah I am a Piloy isn't that great, look what we get to to do. I know I didnt pay for everything but one day I will!

what a joke this industry has become!!!

Sounds like you yourself may be numbered among those big jokes. I wish you well anyway.

 

[scopeCMRandASA]

1. We had the right to operate and unlimited number of RJ-50s. We had the right to fly them wherever we chose. We had the right to operate any stage length we pleased. We had the unlimited right to operate in or out of any hub and between any two points of our choosing. We were free of all ratios.

you still have the right to unlimited rj 50s. You did not have those other rights, they were decided by Delta and relayed to your marketing dept.

2. We had the right to operate an unlimited number of 70-seat jets, under the Delta code. With no restrictions as to how or where they might be flown.

Well, too bad. Now Delta has the right to unlimited RJ70s.

3. Our rights to operate freely were not in any way related to Delta Connection and did not include any limits based on what other DCI contractors might be doing or not doing. Our rights were not dependent on the whims of the Delta pilots.

Untrue. No matter. Delta now has those rights.

4. We had the right to freely contract with anyone else of our choosing, besides Delta. We had the right to operate ANY size aircraft under contract with any other carrier of OUR choice. Those rights were NOT impared by our contract with Delta Air Lines.

I laugh at this. Why didn't you then? Oh, that's right, it was in the works. Riiiiiiggggghhhht. Like Delta would have allowed it. Blah, blah, blah. This never has and never will pass the BS test.

5. We had the right to operate any aircraft, of any size, anywhere, under our own name, with no effect on our contract with Delta, provided we did not use the "Delta Code".

Same quote and reply as 4, but at least you got to type more. This keeps with your mentality of quantity vs quality will blow them away. Pure BS

6. We had the right to decide what markets we would operate into and what markets we would not operate into

Same quote and reply as 4, but at least you got to type more. This keeps with your mentality of quantity vs quality will blow them away. Pure BS

7. NONE of our "rights", repeat NONE, were in any way dependent on the unilateral decisions of ALPA or of the Delta MEC.

Sure they were. Any contractual change back then would affect you as it will now. Deal with it. You are a sub-contractor of the Delta pilots. The contractors decide your fate. As they should. You are cheap labor. They stick you wherte you will make money where the premium jobs wont

8. We had the right to negotiate with OUR EMPLOYER, directly and achieve what ever we could, WITHOUT the interference of third parties in different airlines.

Let me ask you, who signs your contract. We all know Duane Woerth does, but who are the other signatures on it. Leo's? Terry Erskine's? You guys are famous for this"Who signs your contract" stuff. Who signs your contract. You know that Comair is a viable entity, and that is who you negotiate your contract with. Deal with it. You scab mentality just wants to negotiate with Delta in order to undercut it's mainline pilots contract in order to gain for yourself.

As a "separate airline" the Delta pilots have no right to negotiate what we can do or what we can't do.

The Delta pilots negotiate for what they do. The reminants are divided equally amongst the pack. This is an old, tired argumentwhich does not have any substance.

Right, you're not one of them. Who are you trying to kid? It looks to me like that somebody is you and people that think like you. Evidently you are quite willing to kiss their backsides on demand because you aspire to work for them and you're scared they're going to black ball you. Well you can do that if you want, but I have no intention of kissing anybody's a$$ just because they think I should

Now there is an interesting one. Kissing ass on an anonymous Delta board. You are right, I am willing to do flying for less. It is the reasons which differ. I am willing to do it in order to move on to that level. You do it as an attack to force your way into a career for which you were never intended.

Silence is deafening but golden.

Here is the deal. I do not hang out by my computer, skulking for people on the flightinfo boards. I find them entertaining, and take them for their intent. You take them to show how persecuted you are and to try and lead some kind of BS charge. Your movement is losing ground. People are starting to see it for what it is. A money/aircraft coup. You make me laugh. You remind me of a tired, bitter old man who lost his place in the world and who now flounders and finger points. I pity you.

--a concerned regional pilot

 

[scopeCMRandASA]

Silence is deafening but golden.

-- a concerned regional pilot

 

[General Lee]

Scope,

Very interesting points. I like how you get your points across.

Bye bye--General Lee

 

[surplus1]

Now there is an interesting one. Kissing ass on an anonymous Delta board. You are right, I am willing to do flying for less. It is the reasons which differ. I am willing to do it in order to move on to that level. You do it as an attack to force your way into a career for which you were never intended.

Delta board? Where's that? Force my way into a career for which I was never intended? That is amusing.

I think you have a couple of options that you should consider. a) unmask yourself and acknowledge that you are an unhappy deltoid masquerading as a "concerned regional pilot", or b) buy your self a double-breasted suit with brass buttons and parade before your bedroom mirror on a regular basis. That way you can impress yourself even more.

For the record, I'm happy with the career I've had and that happiness includes the fact that I was fortunate enough to avoid the cultural overtones of Atlanta. You are correct, I was never intended for the culture of the Delta pilot group and I have managed to successfully avoid it. That sir is a blessing, but it really has nothing to do with careers.

I find them entertaining, and take them for their intent. You take them to show how persecuted you are and to try and lead some kind of BS charge. Your movement is losing ground. People are starting to see it for what it is. A money/aircraft coup. You make me laugh. You remind me of a tired, bitter old man who lost his place in the world and who now flounders and finger points. I pity you.

Thank you for the pity. As they say, every little bit helps. However, I couldn't honestly say that I find you entertaining. Uniformed, somewhat inflated by your own image, and decidedly less than smart, but not entertaining. Phony would be closer to my assessment.

I don't have a movement, I merely support one. You may think that it is losing ground if you wish; whatever gives you solace. It will produce neither wealth nor aircraft, but there is high probability that it will end the arrogance of your ilk. That's enough for me.

I am an older man, but I haven't lost my place, neither in the world nor in the debate, and I'm not bitter. What's more I won't allow myself to be insulted by a misguided and arrogant kid. Too old for that. I don't pity you though, I'm just amazed at your ability to demonstrate with such aplomb and expertise the folly of youth that you have mastered. I made the mistake of thinking you had something serious to say. I was wrong and for that I apologize. Henceforth I'll just accept you for what you are, now that I've learned there's a vacuum between your ears.

May you always have tailwinds and may The Force be with you.

 

[General Lee]

Surplus1,

Hey man, be nice. I think Scope is a little harsh, but he just wants what everyone else wants--security. I don't know if he is a "Deltoid", but he was flamed by your responses, and you by his. A lot of us just want to do well and fly planes, and we each have our own wants and needs. Relax.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[OOramperpilot]

How can you say it will not hurt anyone else? Remember all of the pay cuts at SkyWest and Airwisky? Guess where that money is going...

Sorry for jumping in late in the game, especially if somebody already pointed this out, but....nobody at SkyWest (excepting management and even they didn't get a total paycut) took a "paycut" in that current pay rates were not reduced. I will grant that block hours have been less of late and in effect, that could be construed as a paycut.

There is however a "pay freeze" in effect, and that prevents current rates from going any higher for the time being.

 

[scopeCMRandASA]

Delta board? Where's that? Force my way into a career for which I was never intended? That is amusing.

I think you have a couple of options that you should consider. a) unmask yourself and acknowledge that you are an unhappy deltoid masquerading as a "concerned regional pilot", or b) buy your self a double-breasted suit with brass buttons and parade before your bedroom mirror on a regular basis. That way you can impress yourself even more.

For the record, I'm happy with the career I've had and that happiness includes the fact that I was fortunate enough to avoid the cultural overtones of Atlanta. You are correct, I was never intended for the culture of the Delta pilot group and I have managed to successfully avoid it. That sir is a blessing, but it really has nothing to do with careers.


Thank you for the pity. As they say, every little bit helps. However, I couldn't honestly say that I find you entertaining. Uniformed, somewhat inflated by your own image, and decidedly less than smart, but not entertaining. Phony would be closer to my assessment.

I don't have a movement, I merely support one. You may think that it is losing ground if you wish; whatever gives you solace. It will produce neither wealth nor aircraft, but there is high probability that it will end the arrogance of your ilk. That's enough for me.

I am an older man, but I haven't lost my place, neither in the world nor in the debate, and I'm not bitter. What's more I won't allow myself to be insulted by a misguided and arrogant kid. Too old for that. I don't pity you though, I'm just amazed at your ability to demonstrate with such aplomb and expertise the folly of youth that you have mastered. I made the mistake of thinking you had something serious to say. I was wrong and for that I apologize. Henceforth I'll just accept you for what you are, now that I've learned there's a vacuum between your ears.

May you always have tailwinds and may The Force be with you.

I rest my case. Unbelievable that this guy is allowed to fly airplanes. If your f/o pi$$es you off, do you club him with the ax? BTW the "Delta board" comment was tongue in cheek, as you turn everything you touch here into Delta vs DCI. As I said, you guys are easy.

--a concerned regional pilot

 

[N2264J]

scope this!

Originally posted by scopeCMRandASA

Where were you, buckaroo?

Yeah, I was. The Delta MEC followed the guidance of the Comair MEC to the letter. What was done was EXACTLY what was asked for from the Comair MEC. Go ask them. I walked the line with Comair pilots. I contributed to their fund outside of the assessment. You weren't there or else you would know that all strike requests were complied with and much flying which was not acceptable was turned down by Delta pilots. Deal with the truth.

He seems to know a lot about the Delta MEC operation for a "concerned regional pilot." Does this paragraph sound familiar?

"This board has taken up too much of my time, and has now gotten to the point where it is no longer of any value to me as a forum for the exchange of information. It has unfortunately deteriorating to the point where people are as interested in personal attacks as they are in the issues. I have tried to stay above the fray, but am not always successful."

Did Lee Harvey Oswald act alone? Is Elvis still alive? Is it a coincidence that "scopeCMRandASA" emerged a few days after "FlyDeltaJets" sanctimonious sign off?

I put in a call to Miss Cleo but no one is answering the phone.

 

[surplus1]

Surplus1,

Hey man, be nice. I think Scope is a little harsh, but he just wants what everyone else wants--security. I don't know if he is a "Deltoid", but he was flamed by your responses, and you by his. A lot of us just want to do well and fly planes, and we each have our own wants and needs. Relax.

Bye Bye--General Lee

General,

You and I have had many disagreements on this board. You never offended me or attacked me personally and I haven't attacked you personally. That's the way it should be. We can argue about the issues until the cows come home and that's no problem.

When someone decides to attack me personally, as opposed to attacking my ideas, he/she can count on receiving the same in return. I'll bend over backwards to get along with anyone, but I will not bend forwards, grab my ankles and ask for more. That's just the way it is.

If you don't want personal attacks, then don't make personal attacks. That's what that brat did and that's what he got in return.

I'm all for people that want job security, and that includes me and my fellow Comair pilots. I don't want your job and no one in my pilot group has attacked your job. However, everyone in your pilot group needs to understand that we will resist attacks on our security and career progression. We didn't start a scrap, but we have no intention of running away from one that anyone else chooses to start.

You see we're really just like you guys. There are dam*ed few inferiority complexes among Comair pilots. That may well be why we sometimes quarrel. You guys all think your sh!t don't stink. Most of us think the same way.

We'll shake hands with you and be your friends anytime you want. We just don't intend to ride in the back of anybody's bus and we're not giving up our seats just because someone who thinks they're important got on the bus. We both paid the same fare and we'll sit where we choose, as long as that seat is not occupied by someone else. We expect you to do the same.

By the way, we also use the same lunch counters, the same restrooms and the same drinking fountains. Anyone that can't live with that .... can stand by for incoming.

Surplus1

PS. You're a good guy General and looking out for your buddies is worthy of praise. Keep it up, and I mean that. One day we'll be shaking hands and all this crap will go away. In the final analysis we are all .... just airline pilots.

 

[General Lee]

Surplus1,

I agree, and someday we will shake hands. We both like to toot our own horns, but in the end we are all trying to help Delta be profitable. I do see where scope attacked you, and that really wasn't nice, and I can see why you wrote what you did. There really shouldn't be an personal attacks on this board, period. Sorry.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[FlyDeltasJets]

Re: scope this!

He seems to know a lot about the Delta MEC operation for a "concerned regional pilot." Does this paragraph sound familiar?

"This board has taken up too much of my time, and has now gotten to the point where it is no longer of any value to me as a forum for the exchange of information. It has unfortunately deteriorating to the point where people are as interested in personal attacks as they are in the issues. I have tried to stay above the fray, but am not always successful."

Did Lee Harvey Oswald act alone? Is Elvis still alive? Is it a coincidence that "scopeCMRandASA" emerged a few days after "FlyDeltaJets" sanctimonious sign off?

I put in a call to Miss Cleo but no one is answering the phone.

While I'm honored that so many people seem to remember me, I'm a little disappointed that they think I'd have to set up another screen name to voice my opinions.

What, was I shy before?

I still lurk occasionally, but if I feel the need to post, I'll do it under my own screen name.

I'm not all that concerned whether you believe me or not, but if it worries you, I invite you to ask the moderator.

 

[~~~^~~~]

HHEEESSS BAAAAAAACK!

What we all want to know, is SCOPECOMAIRANDASA an Alter Ego? Can we scope SCOPECOMAIRANDASA?

 

[N2264J]

Re: scope this!

While I'm honored that so many people seem to remember me, I'm a little disappointed that they think I'd have to set up another screen name to voice my opinions.

What, was I shy before?

I still lurk occasionally, but if I feel the need to post, I'll do it under my own screen name.

I'm not all that concerned whether you believe me or not, but if it worries you, I invite you to ask the moderator.

The world rejoices as FlyDeltaJets comes out of retirement after only 4 weeks to defend his name from the aspiring Delta butt boy, scopeCMRandASA, concerned regional pilot.

Angels wept.

Is is pronounced tomato or tomato? Is Homer Simpson and Krusty the Clown portrayed by the same actor? Does FlyDeltaJets have two Email accounts?

For the answer to these questions, I put in a call to Miss Cleo for mafreereadin'. THE NUMBER'S BEEN DISCONNECTED! What am I supposed to do?