UAL announces another recall class- 21 Aug

[FreightNazi]

Fellow UAL furloughees,

I was a May 2000 hire and am now a probie at a large cargo outfit in the midst of contract negotiations. Also looming is the possible reduction of the mail contract (which apparently makes up 50% of flying). Included in this mix is a less than enjoyable commute to a city nowhere near as nice as the many UAL domiciles (or the UAL domicile where I still live: western mountainous state). So, what I want to know is, if said cargo company can't get their sh-crud together, should I accept the recall?

Poorly educated minds would like any advice available. Any sarcasm or ridicule accepted.

Gracias.

Dude, You would get the award for the world's biggest idiot for quitting FedEx to take a recall at United.

 

[GogglesPisano]

Dude, You would get the award for the world's biggest idiot for quitting FedEx to take a recall at United.

Maybe he's not happy flying freight. Maybe he misses interaction with pax, F/A's ... Maybe he misses terminals, duty free shops ...

Maybe it's not all about the money for him.

We're not all the same.

 

[GuppyPuppy]

Maybe he's not happy flying freight. Maybe he misses interaction with pax, F/A's ... Maybe he misses terminals, duty free shops ...

Maybe it's not all about the money for him.

We're not all the same.

True. But, one has to think of their future. United hasn't made money in over six years. How many billions of dollars profit did FedEx make just last year?

If it were me, I'd stay at FDX. But, like they say, thirty-one flavors for a reason!

GP

 

[satpak77]

True. But, one has to think of their future. United hasn't made money in over six years. How many billions of dollars profit did FedEx make just last year?

If it were me, I'd stay at FDX. But, like they say, thirty-one flavors for a reason!

GP

I think he should quit FedEx and go back to UAL, and burn that bridge for 1000's of other applicants at FedEx who are furloughed from their airline, who have crossed-their-hearts and triple promised that they would not leave FedEx if lucky enough to be hired

yep, thats what he should do.

brothers taking care of brothers, also known as the "pilot profession"

 

[Sonny Crockett]

Hey Crockett, what's the latest on UAL buying Polars 747-400F's? That rumor has kind of faded away.

I don't know, the rumor was REALLY hot about two months ago, and Mr Dolan (who came from Atlas I think) has kinda been hinting about a new Cargo fleet but with a roadblock being ALPA (so take that for what it is worth)

I agree it is fading away! Any news from your end?

 

[Whale Rider]

I don't know, the rumor was REALLY hot about two months ago, and Mr Dolan (who came from Atlas I think) has kinda been hinting about a new Cargo fleet but with a roadblock being ALPA (so take that for what it is worth)

I agree it is fading away! Any news from your end?

Just lots of furloughs coming and the remaining guys piling on the 744's.

 

[Sonny Crockett]

Just lots of furloughs coming and the remaining guys piling on the 744's.

That sucks, are you going to be ok?

 

[Whale Rider]

That sucks, are you going to be ok?

As long as we don't lose any more birds.

 

[AMDFlyer]

Sorry for the intrusion but I am following very closely the trend at United and i am very pleased to see them recalling at a steady pace, can you guess when they will be ready to hire again and if they will, on what airplane they will the new hires will be assigned?

cheers

 

[32LT10]

Sorry for the intrusion but I am following very closely the trend at United and i am very pleased to see them recalling at a steady pace, can you guess when they will be ready to hire again and if they will, on what airplane they will the new hires will be assigned?

cheers

AMD,

I heard recently that if age 65 does not happen we could be hiring by the end of next year. With the deficit of pilots we currently have it might be a bit sooner for hiring. I think they are about all the way through the furlough list and as they move back up the list it will force the guys that bypassed to either return or resign.

While in the past we hired into all airplanes from the 767 down I suspect that any new hires will go to either the A320 or B737.

I hope we start hiring soon and best of luck if you decide to join us here at UAL.

 

[D-Bo]

AMD,

I think they are about all the way through the furlough list and as they move back up the list it will force the guys that bypassed to either return or resign.

Almost but not quite just yet. They have to go about another 700 before getting to the bottom. I'd bet they hit the last guy by no later than the end of winter. If nothing changes that is.

 

[hyflyt560]

Got the letter today for the October 16 class. I'll be on military leave. Can someone tell me if I can have an equipment bid placed for me while I'm on ML? And, am I correct that I am not frozen in my seat until I start training, i.e. I won't be stuck in the 737/320 and will have the possibility to accept a 757/767 bid while on ML?

Hyflyt
May 22, 2000

 

[32LT10]

Got the letter today for the October 16 class. I'll be on military leave. Can someone tell me if I can have an equipment bid placed for me while I'm on ML? And, am I correct that I am not frozen in my seat until I start training, i.e. I won't be stuck in the 737/320 and will have the possibility to accept a 757/767 bid while on ML?

Hyflyt
May 22, 2000

I wish I knew the answer. Some of the guys that are returning could probably answer that for you. I believe that you would be able to bid something else if you accept recall but go on ML immediately. From what I understand the freeze is determined by the number of training days. If you are eligible for a short course they don't give you a freeze. If not then you are frozen.

Congrats on the recall and welcome back when you decide the time is right.

 

[Guppydriver]

HyFly, what is your seniority number/hire date?

awaiting the call,

Guppy

 

[AMDFlyer]

AMD,

I heard recently that if age 65 does not happen we could be hiring by the end of next year. With the deficit of pilots we currently have it might be a bit sooner for hiring. I think they are about all the way through the furlough list and as they move back up the list it will force the guys that bypassed to either return or resign.

While in the past we hired into all airplanes from the 767 down I suspect that any new hires will go to either the A320 or B737.

I hope we start hiring soon and best of luck if you decide to join us here at UAL.

Thanks for the info I am not in a hurry...got to get the PIC jet time up menawhile. Thank you very much again and good luck to all of you

 

[acroflyr]

HyFly, what is your seniority number/hire date?

awaiting the call,

Guppy

Skynet Lite shows the updated recall info as of 7-31-2006 with the most junior person to recieve recall as Sen. #7983 and a DOH of 6-11-2000. I believe that's around 133 letters that went out for a the October recall class of 30. Looks like the end of the list is going to go fast. Won't be long!

Acroflyr

 

[Batplane]

Does anyone know if the October class is the last one this year?

 

[GroundHog]

hyflyt,
Contact Bob Neil. He can answer all those questions for you. Do a people search on SkyNet Lite for Robert Neil to get his number at WHQ, or PM me and I'll get it to you.
Hog

 

[D-Bo]

Does anyone know if the October class is the last one this year?

To reach the extra 125 number they announced a little over a month ago, they'd have to recall another 60 after October.

 

[Andy]

Skynet Lite shows the updated recall info as of 7-31-2006 with the most junior person to recieve recall as Sen. #7983 and a DOH of 6-11-2000. I believe that's around 133 letters that went out for a the October recall class of 30. Looks like the end of the list is going to go fast. Won't be long!

Acroflyr

HOLY SHNIKES! I went from 200 to go to 20 to go in less than a week. (6-18-00 hire). They're burning through the list even quicker than I expected.

Looks like I'll be taking mil leave (plan on using all six years available under USERRA) and getting pass priveleges back sooner than I thought. :beer:

For those keeping score, the most junior number on UAL's seniority list is 8655. It'll be interesting to see how fast they burn through the seniority list the second time around.

As far as the 125 recalled number, that won't even keep up with retirements for the second half of the year. I estimate that UAL will need 600 pilots back on property before next summer starting with the August classes in order to avoid another manning shortage debacle.

I would expect United to fire up the new hire department and accept pilot applications sometime in 2007.

 

[hyflyt560]

hyflyt,
Contact Bob Neil. He can answer all those questions for you. Do a people search on SkyNet Lite for Robert Neil to get his number at WHQ, or PM me and I'll get it to you.
Hog

He's out of the office until the 6th. I thought I had read on one of the threads where he (Bob) told someone that you're frozen, no matter what, but that "someone" was told different info from a domicile flight manager (in regard to ML)?! Nonetheless, it's all good news!

 

[GroundHog]

He's out of the office until the 6th. I thought I had read on one of the threads where he (Bob) told someone that you're frozen, no matter what, but that "someone" was told different info from a domicile flight manager (in regard to ML)?! Nonetheless, it's all good news!

Yea, I saw that on the other board after I posted to you. Post your question on the ALPA forum. You'll probably get an accurate response from somebody quicker over there, than on this board.
Hog

 

[Andy]

He's out of the office until the 6th. I thought I had read on one of the threads where he (Bob) told someone that you're frozen, no matter what, but that "someone" was told different info from a domicile flight manager (in regard to ML)?! Nonetheless, it's all good news!

I'm curious to find out also.
There have been several threads on the UAL ALPA forum, with slightly different outcomes.
Problem is, for those of us that have to take a freeze, we haven't been senior enough to get a 767 on the vacancy bids. Perhaps we'll know in another month.
I'm tempted to hold out on mil leave until I can get a 767.

 

[G3G4G5]

Got the letter today for the October 16 class. I'll be on military leave. Can someone tell me if I can have an equipment bid placed for me while I'm on ML? And, am I correct that I am not frozen in my seat until I start training, i.e. I won't be stuck in the 737/320 and will have the possibility to accept a 757/767 bid while on ML?

Hyflyt
May 22, 2000

Hyflyt,

Your recall training date is the start of your freeze. I'm assuming you've been out of the cockpit for more than three years, so you'll incur the freeze. In your recall package, you get the opportunity to bid for equipment that comes down for your class and will get awarded based on seniority. You can switch domiciles, but will have to wait for your freeze to end to bid new equipment.

G3G4G5

 

[rumrunner300]

Is that date the one you report to HDQ for brain re-washing, or the date you begin at TK?

Also, as you remember your date for longevity was not your hire date but rather the month in which you finished initial training. In my case I was hired in November and finished on the 300 in February. I have three months of first year pay to go (I'm gonna need that half wing). Does that three months begin on my recall date or the date that I finish training (again)??

 

[IB6 UB9]

How do the recalls work? Obviously they start in seniority order and go down the list...and a percentage of numbers are bypassing. What happens when they get to the end of the list? Do they start at the top again?

 

[Tanner]

No...at the bottom and work up.

 

[Flyby1206]

I would expect United to fire up the new hire department and accept pilot applications sometime in 2007.

Wow!!!!

 

[IB6 UB9]

No...at the bottom and work up.

Of course. Basically they will call me, I will bypass, and they will call me again in 20 minutes.

 

[Andy]

Is that date the one you report to HDQ for brain re-washing, or the date you begin at TK?

Also, as you remember your date for longevity was not your hire date but rather the month in which you finished initial training. In my case I was hired in November and finished on the 300 in February. I have three months of first year pay to go (I'm gonna need that half wing). Does that three months begin on my recall date or the date that I finish training (again)??

I'm not sure on the first question.

The three months begin on your recall date.