UAL announces another recall class- 21 Aug

[Tanner]

Of course. Basically they will call me, I will bypass, and they will call me again in 20 minutes.

I believe the last 100 are not going to have the option to bypass.

 

[lostplnetairman]

HOLY SHNIKES!
Looks like I'll be taking mil leave (plan on using all six years available under USERRA) and getting pass priveleges back sooner than I thought. :beer:

It's five years, but that's still a lot!

HR Diva

 

[32LT10]

Of course. Basically they will call me, I will bypass, and they will call me again in 20 minutes.

You do have the option to resign when they call you the first time. That is what you are going to do right? Heck you could resign now based on your dislike for UAL. Just cut the strings.

 

[Huggyu2]

It's five years, but that's still a lot!

HR Diva

Although the USERRA law says 5 years, UAL and ALPA agreed to extend it to 6 years for UAL pilots.

 

[Andy]

It's five years, but that's still a lot!

HR Diva

My bad for not being clear on that, HR Diva. UAL's contract (as HuggyU2's pointed out) allows UAL pilots to remain on mil leave for a total of 6 years. It even allows you to be on mil leave for 5 yrs, 9 mos and then not report back to UAL for another 3 months.

Due to AF reserve rules, I will have to return to UAL for approximately 10 months halfway through that 6 year stretch. AF Reserve only allows a member to serve on active duty for 1095 days on a 1440 day rolling calendar. This breaks out to three out of every four years.

I have a few motivations for remaining on mil leave. Most importantly, I enjoy my job ... it is outside of the flying arena in a joint staff position. Secondly, I currently have 18 1/2 active duty years toward retirement; I'd like to be able to get a retirement immediately after military retirement rather than wait until I turn 60. Third, UAL puts 15% of my base pay (what my base pay would be) into my 401k while I'm on military leave of absence.

For any airline pilot off of probation who is part time military, taking mil leave is a great deal. To be sure, I wouldn't want this big of a flying gap if I were still on probation.

 

[Andy]

You do have the option to resign when they call you the first time. That is what you are going to do right? Heck you could resign now based on your dislike for UAL. Just cut the strings.

On the latest seniority list, I know that at least five pilots below me have resigned and no longer have a UAL seniority number. ... and since I'm still furloughed, they were also.

 

[GuppyPuppy]

My bad for not being clear on that, HR Diva. UAL's contract (as HuggyU2's pointed out) allows UAL pilots to remain on mil leave for a total of 6 years. It even allows you to be on mil leave for 5 yrs, 9 mos and then not report back to UAL for another 3 months.

Due to AF reserve rules, I will have to return to UAL for approximately 10 months halfway through that 6 year stretch. AF Reserve only allows a member to serve on active duty for 1095 days on a 1440 day rolling calendar. This breaks out to three out of every four years.

I have a few motivations for remaining on mil leave. Most importantly, I enjoy my job ... it is outside of the flying arena in a joint staff position. Secondly, I currently have 18 1/2 active duty years toward retirement; I'd like to be able to get a retirement immediately after military retirement rather than wait until I turn 60. Third, UAL puts 15% of my base pay (what my base pay would be) into my 401k while I'm on military leave of absence.

For any airline pilot off of probation who is part time military, taking mil leave is a great deal. To be sure, I wouldn't want this big of a flying gap if I were still on probation.

I wish UAL and ALPA could have come up with a similar deal for those of us who wanted to join the military, but were denied entry for various reasons. Unfortunately, we civilians don't have the options that the military guys/gals have.

 

[Andy]

I wish UAL and ALPA could have come up with a similar deal for those of us who wanted to join the military, but were denied entry for various reasons. Unfortunately, we civilians don't have the options that the military guys/gals have.

Recently, I was offered a position with a contractor as flight manager/backup pilot in Iraq. I would've liked to take it (it's an important classified mission), but it required me to be there for a year. I don't expect to be able to bypass for that long, and it's gotten pretty hard to get a non-military LOA.

 

[32LT10]

Recently, I was offered a position with a contractor as flight manager/backup pilot in Iraq. I would've liked to take it (it's an important classified mission), but it required me to be there for a year. I don't expect to be able to bypass for that long, and it's gotten pretty hard to get a non-military LOA.

Andy,

You may want to call Bob Neil about the position you mentioned above. I know we have a fairly prominent WHQFS person that is now doing a "civilian" job in IRAQ. I had him in on one of my flights just before he left and mentioned the company's understanding for those in the type of jobs you are interested in. It may be worth the phone call if you really want to do the job.

In any event good to see your number coming up. You are one of the most knowledgable guys around and look forward to having back at UA.

 

[Bosley]

Of course. Basically they will call me, I will bypass, and they will call me again in 20 minutes.

I agree, stay where you are. UAL is the Titanic, and is sinking fast. Just look at all the people bypassing. Besides with creeps like 32LT10, I'd much rather stay at a company like Jet Blue where the attitude is a lot less stuck up!

 

[D-Bo]

I agree, stay where you are. UAL is the Titanic, and is sinking fast. Just look at all the people bypassing. Besides with creeps like 32LT10, I'd much rather stay at a company like Jet Blue where the attitude is a lot less stuck up!

United has been called the Titanic for 5 years and still hasn't sunk. As far as the folks bypassing, that's not an accurate gauge, the first go around, as to who wants to work there and who doesn't.

 

[32LT10]

United has been called the Titanic for 5 years and still hasn't sunk. As far as the folks bypassing, that's not an accurate gauge, the first go around, as to who wants to work there and who doesn't.

Bosely is just disappointed he was never hired at UAL and it is his therapy to massage his ego by bashing us. Bad combo of big ego and little plane.

 

[Bosley]

Bosely is just disappointed he was never hired at UAL and it is his therapy to massage his ego by bashing us. Bad combo of big ego and little plane.

I usally hear people talk about big airplanes that have little peckers! Way to go stud! BTW, 12 year cpt pay, $182.00 744/777 UAL. 12 year cpt pay LUV $190.00
I'll stay where I'm at flying my little airplane.
In 50 years, who will aviation remember more, Herb K. or the numerous crooks robbing you morons of your pensions/pay/benefits?
Keep up the comebacks 32, you make it all too easy you loser!

 

[satpak77]

I usally hear people talk about big airplanes that have little peckers! Way to go stud! BTW, 12 year cpt pay, $182.00 744/777 UAL. 12 year cpt pay LUV $190.00
I'll stay where I'm at flying my little airplane.
In 50 years, who will aviation remember more, Herb K. or the numerous crooks robbing you morons of your pensions/pay/benefits?
Keep up the comebacks 32, you make it all too easy you loser!

actually, ask 100 MBA students the following:

Who is a memorable CEO of Southwest? "Herb Kelleher!"

Who is a memorable CEO of United? "uh....hold on a minute...."

 

[Huggyu2]

Bosely is just disappointed he was never hired at UAL and it is his therapy to massage his ego by bashing us. Bad combo of big ego and little plane.

Bosley,
Just curious:
- did you apply to UAL at one point?
- were your hired?
-- if so, did you accept and get furloughed;
-- or did you turn down the job offer in lieu of another job?
- what do you do now?

 

[hyflyt560]

I usally hear people talk about big airplanes that have little peckers! Way to go stud! BTW, 12 year cpt pay, $182.00 744/777 UAL. 12 year cpt pay LUV $190.00
I'll stay where I'm at flying my little airplane.
In 50 years, who will aviation remember more, Herb K. or the numerous crooks robbing you morons of your pensions/pay/benefits?
Keep up the comebacks 32, you make it all too easy you loser!

I'll take the lower pay, fly a better plane, and go to places outside of the U.S. thanks.

 

[Bosley]

Bosley,
Just curious:
- did you apply to UAL at one point?

NO! Got a little fed up with the interview process after 300 hour wonder interns were getting the call while a lot of good qualified folks were not getting interviewed, or not hired while the eeoc was in full stride at UAL.

- were your hired?

Was never interviewed

-- if so, did you accept and get furloughed;

No

-- or did you turn down the job offer in lieu of another job?

Was hired at LUV

- what do you do now?

LUV pilot, and 32LT10 basher.
Take a look at your pal 32's posts. He wastes little time bashing the LCC's such as Air Tran and Jet Blue. The very same airline that at one time shared the cockpit with ual aviators.

 

[Huggyu2]

Copy that! I didn't bother goinig back and researching past postings; I just figured there was some disagreement between you two, and wanted to get a bit more of the overall picture.

 

[32LT10]

NO! Got a little fed up with the interview process after 300 hour wonder interns were getting the call while a lot of good qualified folks were not getting interviewed, or not hired while the eeoc was in full stride at UAL.

So that means you applied and were not hired. Cry me a river. You could only get hired at a place that made you BUY a type rating. I suppose if you really really want to fly so badly you were willing to pony up the bucks to get a job.

Was hired at LUV

Yep, a real stellar group that has paid for their jobs over at good ol LUV. Drunks, exhibitionist and guys that like to talk about how they are going to lose their career just after crashing an airplane into a gas station. The first words out of the guys mouth was not a checklist or concern for his pax and crew it was how he was going to be unemployed now that he had f-d up.

I guess as long as Pay for training is in place at SWA that is what you get. I have a new found respect for B6 in the recent months. They treat jumpseaters both pilot and f/a very well and they do not require their pilots to pay for training, unlike SWA.

Enjoy OKC/OMA and ISP. I will take my pay and my type of flying. Of course I do have options on the equipment I fly. How about you? Any chance of getting a bid off the guppy? I lost enough hearing on that POS. Hot in the summer, cold in the winter with 1L so close to the cockpit and that single pack thing with the APU running is primitive at best. But as long as you enjoy it, then knock yourself out.

 

[koko nw]

NO! Got a little fed up with the interview process after 300 hour wonder interns were getting the call while a lot of good qualified folks were not getting interviewed, or not hired while the eeoc was in full stride at UAL.

Of the 6000+ folks hired by UAL from the early 90's till 2001, what percentage do you think were interns and "eeoc" hires? You do realize that the "eeoc" hiring was mandated by the fed's didn't you? Why? Because we only hired WHITE guy's before.

Look around the terminal next time and check out the folks wearing UAL colors.....I'd betcha a round that the VAST majority of our folks are Caucasian males between the ages of 35-50.
I can partially understand your angst against our hiring practices, I too have friends with similar qualifications who were never hired here but they moved on.

But heck you can say that about just about every airline couldn't you? "Almost" every airline has some sort of idiosyncrasy about who they prefer to hire.

I mean Delta used to be called the "O" club while you stood little chance of an interview at Alaska without a silver bullet. While UPS and Fed Ex almost exclusively hired only folks with a couple of internal rec's and good luck at SWA back in 98 when I was looking if you didn't have a type.

While I was applying to UAL they valued fighter/training command time over Heavy time which I had a boat load of under Nancy Stuke, Why? Because it's there company and they'll hire who ever the heck they want...Was it fair, I guess it depends on your perspective.


Hey if your fight is with 32....So be it. I've worked with folks from a wide variety of backgrounds here at UAL and the only generality I can say for a fact is that EAL pilots are KING!
I just ask that you refrain from dragging our whole pilot group into your little disagreement with one of ours.

Peace from a Non EEOC, Non intern Caucasian Male fellow pilot.

Koko

 

[Hvy]

O.K. Enough already! Good grief....why is everyone so angry and so bent on taking it out on each other? It really gets tiresome. I almost never come on here anymore because all I read is bickering, pissing & moaning.

Why don't you pissed off people head to the gym and get something out of your anger? First time readers of these posts must think they've stumbled onto an 8th grade bitch board.

Why don't we try to talk about constructive things? United bashing....Southwest bashing.....Jet Blue bashing.....it's frickin' tiresome. If we swapped places we'd all be critisizing the airline that we work for now. Let it go...take a deep breath and quit taking out your anger on the board.

Next time you're on an overnight...go up to that "other" crew and offer them a beer. I'll bet they're a lot like you. Guys who like to fly and just happen to be lucky enough to do it for a living....nothing more...noting less.

I'm off to the gym........

 

[satpak77]

I'll take the lower pay, fly a better plane, and go to places outside of the U.S. thanks.

lower pay with no retirement and unknown future outside of Ch.11

the "better plane" may be in the desert parked soon, don't get too cocky

so, I suppose, go ahead and enjoy Europe while you still have a job

 

[Bosley]

So that means you applied and were not hired. Cry me a river. You could only get hired at a place that made you BUY a type rating. I suppose if you really really want to fly so badly you were willing to pony up the bucks to get a job.

I fugured using the gov't money to get me a job was well worth the investment. I guess you don't figure that since you were hired as a wonder intern with a whopping 300 hours! You go girl!

Yep, a real stellar group that has paid for their jobs over at good ol LUV. Drunks, exhibitionist and guys that like to talk about how they are going to lose their career just after crashing an airplane into a gas station. The first words out of the guys mouth was not a checklist or concern for his pax and crew it was how he was going to be unemployed now that he had f-d up.

Rudder skills and 10-9 charts, who needs em hey 32?? I guess that "hull loss out of SFO" doesn't count for anything. That's what the FAA called it, a hull loss!

I guess as long as Pay for training is in place at SWA that is what you get. I have a new found respect for B6 in the recent months. They treat jumpseaters both pilot and f/a very well and they do not require their pilots to pay for training, unlike SWA.

If pay for trng is what you call it, well, it kept scumbags like you out. As for your change of heart, it doesn't show in any of your posts!

Enjoy OKC/OMA and ISP. I will take my pay and my type of flying. Of course I do have options on the equipment I fly. How about you? Any chance of getting a bid off the guppy? I lost enough hearing on that POS. Hot in the summer, cold in the winter with 1L so close to the cockpit and that single pack thing with the APU running is primitive at best. But as long as you enjoy it, then knock yourself out.

I enjoy the pay and 15 days off per month. I enjoy getting paid more than your POS airline pays for a 747! I laugh at all your posts.
The only thing that is for sure, is that you probably got your ass beat a lot as a kid. nobody with that much pompus could get through life without it.
In the meantime, I'll watch my retirement continue to grow, while your insurance and health premiums continue to grow! Enjoy your 747, it seems that's the only thing you have in your life that's big you loser!

 

[Midge]

So that means you applied and were not hired. Cry me a river. You could only get hired at a place that made you BUY a type rating. I suppose if you really really want to fly so badly you were willing to pony up the bucks to get a job.




Yep, a real stellar group that has paid for their jobs over at good ol LUV. Drunks, exhibitionist and guys that like to talk about how they are going to lose their career just after crashing an airplane into a gas station. The first words out of the guys mouth was not a checklist or concern for his pax and crew it was how he was going to be unemployed now that he had f-d up.

I guess as long as Pay for training is in place at SWA that is what you get. I have a new found respect for B6 in the recent months. They treat jumpseaters both pilot and f/a very well and they do not require their pilots to pay for training, unlike SWA.

Enjoy OKC/OMA and ISP. I will take my pay and my type of flying. Of course I do have options on the equipment I fly. How about you? Any chance of getting a bid off the guppy? I lost enough hearing on that POS. Hot in the summer, cold in the winter with 1L so close to the cockpit and that single pack thing with the APU running is primitive at best. But as long as you enjoy it, then knock yourself out.

You sir are an embaressment to the industry!
Whaaaaa, my plane is bigger than your plane. WHAAAAAA enjoy your little airplane! You seriously need some help you horses ass!
Midge
cross check complete!

 

[bman]

Where is the moderator?

 

[32LT10]

I guess that "hull loss out of SFO" doesn't count for anything. That's what the FAA called it, a hull loss!

Really the FAA called it a hull loss? I know of a couple of SWA airplanes that folks outside the FAA would call hull losses. In fact the pictures themselves of the SWA airplanes would even convince the OJ jury that an accident occured.

I enjoy the pay and 15 days off per month. I enjoy getting paid more than your POS airline pays for a 747! I laugh at all your posts.

15? Why are you working so much? I prefer the easier 18-20 days off with PBS and the leisure layover. Heck we even have time for legal booze breaks. Of course that does not mean anything to an SWA guy. A through flight is OK for a booze break for you guys. Bottoms up! By the way what is a Grenade of booze? Is that a SWA term or am I just getting old?

In the meantime, I'll watch my retirement continue to grow, while your insurance and health premiums continue to grow!

What kind of A-plan do you have a SWA? According to the info. I see you have NO A, and only a 7.3% matching 401K. Fortunately we still get 15% in the B/C and the 401K. Match that with the note payment we just received and my B/C is going to be over 1mill in the next few weeks. I hope yours is doing as well.

By the way bos. you mentioned knowing all the hiring directors at all the carriers. I ment to congratulate you on that bit. I am happy to say I knew and know none.

So used the gubment to buy your Pay for training at SWA. Nice. Now that we know you are an SWA guy. Tell us. Are you really that dyed haired freak that got his shorts yanked for the blog with the pictures taken in sterile cockpit time and all that nasty stuff he said about UAL? That made the rounds on the ALPA forum and I think he is a SMF commuter. Word is the SMF crowd is anxiously awaiting a meeting with him.

 

[FLYLOW22]

You sir are an embaressment to the industry!
Whaaaaa, my plane is bigger than your plane. WHAAAAAA enjoy your little airplane! You seriously need some help you horses ass!
Midge
cross check complete!

I 2nd that! The moment I forgot about plane size my W2 went up significantly.

 

[koko nw]

lower pay with no retirement and unknown future outside of Ch.11

the "better plane" may be in the desert parked soon, don't get too cocky

so, I suppose, go ahead and enjoy Europe while you still have a job

Tell me soothsayer, who's future is known? Yours, mine...I doubt it.

When you say "no" retirement, do you actually know what your talking about? While our 15% B/C fund pale in comparison to our original retirement, I would hardly call it "NO" retirement. BTW how's that stack up against yours, assuming your even in the industry.

Your right about enjoying it while it last, you may heed your own warning.

 

[737 Pylt]

I 2nd that! The moment I forgot about plane size my W2 went up significantly.

I agree!
This whole, my airplane is bigger than your airplane is pathetic! C'mon guys we're all pilots.
32, just curious how many pilots that are on furlough from UAL are with LCC's (including LUV, B6, & Air Tran) now? They're not all that bad. I wish I worked for a company that made money over the past 5 years!
Just my .02 worth!
737

 

[Andy]

I 2nd that! The moment I forgot about plane size my W2 went up significantly.

LOL! The same flylow22, a '99 US Airways hire, who was demanding DOH for the aborted UAL/U merger, and requested 747-400 flight manuals from UAL pilots. The same flylow22 that's now flying for netjets.
Is there a reason why flylow22's interested in a UAL pilot recall thread?